• PlexSheep@infosec.pub
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    2 months ago

    I just want to say, it’s not just about femicide, rape and that sort of stuff. Men being dangerous is a spectrum, and those are the high points, but sexist comments, pressuring, bargaining, and much more can also be part of the spectrum.

  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I’m a feminist and I don’t get this argument at all. There are plenty of dangerous women too so all women as well? It makes no sense and it’s pure toxic femcel delusion.

    Also as an ex-professional scuba diver: the shark analogy is a great illustration how stupidly inaccurate this argument is.

  • JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 months ago

    If you hand me a box of raisinettes and tell me one of them is a chocolate covered poop nugget, that whole box is going in the trash.

  • BellyPurpledGerbil@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    Reading comprehension has taken a total nosedive, or men in these comments are willfully misinterpreting very clear language because they can’t stand the idea of being compared to dangerous men.

    We know not all men are dangerous. We don’t know which men are dangerous. And by the time we find out there isn’t much we can do about it.

    That’s the takeaway.

    Half the comments: BASICALLY SAYING ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS

    My best friend is a man. He’s a wonderful person. I love all the men I’ve chosen to be in my life. I’ve identified them as safe. I, too, don’t want them to be pre-categorized as potential monsters. But it doesn’t matter what I want. Enough men violence or sexually harass women that the gamble is too risky.

    And here’s the scariest part.

    Over half of homicides committed against women come from intimate partners and family members.

    Like, even when we find men we think we trust, it’s still no better than a coin flip that one day they might violently hurt us, rape us, or kill us.

    Put your stupid pride aside for a fucking second and address that there is a problem when how violence against women is normalized and dismissed. Even now in this very thread.

    It doesn’t mean men can’t be harmed in return. I know plenty of abusive women exist out there. That does not negate a single part of this argument. It’s another problem, and one we should also take seriously and address.

    We should ALL be on team: All Of This Sucks And We Should Do Something About It

    • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe
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      2 months ago

      “All men are dangerous”

      Funny how you’re redefining that into something else entirely. A straw man.

    • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 months ago

      You need to get your eyes checked. The title of the post itself is “All men are dangerous”.

      This is some incredibly obvious rage bait of a post, meant to get people arguing past each other because some people will assume the sort of good faith discussion in the image, others won’t accept ot anyway, and some will be explicitly calling out the bullshit title while others defend the argument in the image, shouting past each other about different things.

    • Nimbly@lemmy.world
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      Over half of homicides committed against women come from intimate partners and family members.

      Like, even when we find men we think we trust, it’s still no better than a coin flip that one day they might violently hurt us, rape us, or kill us.

      That’s not how that statistic works.

    • Lauchmelder@feddit.org
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      Over half of homicides committed against women come from intimate partners and family members.

      Like, even when we find men we think we trust, it’s still no better than a coin flip that one day they might violently hurt us, rape us, or kill us.

      I don’t see how the latter follows from the former. The statistic claims that when a woman is killed, the odds are >50% that it was a partner or family member.

      It makes no statement of the gender of the partners or family members, and it’s also not “a coin flip” whether your partner kills you. If you get killed, it’s a coin flip whether it’s a stranger or not.

  • massive_bereavement@fedia.io
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    2 months ago

    Also sharks are awesome, they are older than trees, have important ecological roles and most sharks won’t attack any humans. Some even can befriend you, like a toothy puppy.

    The ones that do, tend to do it for curiosity and dislike us because were boney and hurts their teef, it is not their fault that we have the bad habit of bleeding out when we’re in the sea.

    As analogies go, this is a bad one:

    • You can easily learn which sharks are dangerous.
    • You will be warned when you go swimming in a dangerous area.
    • You can even take precautions that reduce substantially that danger.

    I don’t think it is as easy understanding when someone might hurt you, and it is not like you can choose to have your date be in the water while you chat them up from a boat.

    • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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      Your analogy is wrong at this point. It’s the same as “She had it coming, she had on a tight skirt!” and “If you don’t want to be raped just stay at home all the time”. Bad logic and victim blaming.

    • [deleted]@piefed.world
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      2 months ago

      Shark attacks are also extremely rare. Dogs would be a better comparison, in that they can be extremely dangerous but most of them are not which is why we keep them around.

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        Dogs are definitely better than sharks but still bad. Every women I’ve ever spoken to about it has a scary story about an interaction with a man. I’ve never yet met a woman who says actually, nothing scary has ever happened to me. I’ve been very lucky and I still have a handful of stories. I can count on one hand the number of stories of people I personally know about dogs attacking or even just really biting.

        Also, sexual trauma hits different. It just does.

    • phx@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Actually, it sounds to be like sharks might be a pretty good analogy for dealing with the opposite sex

      • Know the warning signs of dangerous predators
      • Be aware of areas which may be at higher risk of running into said predators
      • Know what steps may reduce your likelihood of being attacked, and how to defend yourself

      Neither is going to make life 100% risk free, but the appropriate knowledge and steps CAN help reduce risks. It probably also helps to know the difference between the dorsal fin of a shark and a dolphin.

  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
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    2 months ago

    I expect people to treat me the way I treat them: I keep my distance and am horrified with everything and everyone.

    Unironicaly.

  • FishFace@piefed.social
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    2 months ago

    Ragebait or just being a shit person? Get in the bin either way, I don’t need to see more from you.

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    2 months ago

    This is just the Bayesian approach; overall men have high enough tendancy for aggression and sexual assault that from a risk analysis point it makes sense to be on your guard until you get to know that person better. Of course media has a bias for presenting the awful stuff that happens in the world, one would rarely get coverage of a heart warming relationship between two people involving atleast one man. So these priors despite being in the correct direction might be biased too.

    But I think, neither the shark anology or the expression “all man are dangerous” is useful for getting this point across though.

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    2 months ago

    It’s bad for women but it’s even worse for children. Women are at a disadvantage but can at least take some precautions, arm themselves and try to fight back. Kids are literally defenseless. Hence we should treat all adults as pedophiles just in case. We don’t know which shark might bite them.

    • athatet@lemmy.zip
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      2 months ago

      Wait, like, none at all? You aren’t even able to infer anything from like, context or something?

      • Tanis Nikana@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Critical thinking and context aren’t good indicators of test scores, and they’re not taught in schools much.

    • Zorque@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Racial profiling, but instead it’s about gender expression.

      Really, the critique is/should be about how there isn’t enough societal pressure saying “Don’t be a fucking rapist” to men in general. Unfortunately that’s hard to change, it takes time and energy and there’s a significant amount of pushback. So it’s easier to be cautious with how you interact with strange (and rationally, familiar) men. There is a statistically significant non-zero chance they will seek to do women harm. So stating “Men are dangerous”, while not especially helpful in combating that very idea, is technically true.

      • stickly@lemmy.world
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        there isn’t enough societal pressure saying “Don’t be a fucking rapist” to men

        When we had much stronger pressure we called it chauvinism. “Men are stronger and better and in full control and you are a bad person to abuse that power over women”. And even with that pressure, women were still raped because some people don’t respond to soft pressure like normal functional humans.

    • NekoKoneko@lemmy.world
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      I think the sentiment kicking off the husband explaining should have been “men are dangerous.” Then the shark metaphor makes sense, because enough men are dangerous and a low-probability but nonzero outcome for choosing incorrectly is so severe (rape, death, kidnapping) that it makes sense to have a prejudicial heuristic to treat them all as dangerous until reasonably proven otherwise.

      “All men are dangerous” is an absolute statement and just poor semantic logic, so yeah, this is confusing.

      • binarytobis@lemmy.world
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        I hate statements like this, where they clearly only say part of what they mean, as a way to make it more sensationalist. I would bet what the original OP was actually meaning is “Act as if all men could be dangerous”. Personally I find that an understandable take, when the minority is so dangerous to you what else can you do.

        But instead they choose to phrase it “All men are dangerous”. Indefensibly prejudice against half of the population for something outside of their control.

        The post says they know not all men are dangerous, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good saying, just that they are knowingly stating something they know to be untrue. The only reason to leave the quiet part out of the statement is rage bait.

    • Forester@pawb.social
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      2 months ago

      That all men are inherently dangerous. Apparently we are sharks. I thought it was bears last time…

  • TimMadisun@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I agree with the sentiment, yes, there are dangerous men out there. But this is a terrible analogy.

    • KoboldCoterie@pawb.social
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      2 months ago

      A better analogy would be insects. Not all yellow-and-black flying insects are dangerous, but if you see one flying around your head, it’s safer to assume it’s a yellowjacket than to assume it’s a honeybee.

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    2 months ago

    EVERY human being is dangerous, we are essentially nature’s ultimate killing machine. Name another species that can nearly kill a whole planet.

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    2 months ago

    Thats basically saying all men are rapists, you just don’t know which one is going to rape you.

    • Klear@quokk.au
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      2 months ago

      Not all sharks are dangerous. I’m pretty sure most aren’t (I’m not a shark expert tho, I just know they’re smooth)

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      When you go through a safe driving class, they teach you to assume everyone else on the road is an idiot who can’t drive. This isn’t because they are, it’s because it’s safer to approach it that way.

      In scouts you’re taught that if you encounter a carrion animal, you should assume it has rabies. Not because rabies is common, but because you really don’t want to be the rare case of rabies.

      When you’re learning how to handle firearms, you’re taught to assume all guns are loaded until you’ve personally checked and cleared it. This isn’t because guns magically manifest bullets as they’re handed from one person to another, it’s because it’s safer to make sure than to hope someone else didn’t make a mistake.

      The only reason this is any different is because it makes weak men feel the same way they want to make everyone else feel.

      • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        When I had the displeasure of meeting a skinhead in my younger teens, he tried to teach me that all black people needed to be treated as horrible lawless thugs with minds equivalent to neanderthals, until they actively proved they “were one of the ok ones”.

        Your analogies are good, but the jab at the end is questionable.

        • Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world
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          See, this is a false equivalence. Comparing a skinhead you met as a teen to the current accepted safe gun practice is like taking an anti ax YouTube video over a doctor. Some dumb fuck somewhere can have any opinion they want, it’s not a standard to live by.

        • Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world
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          Yeah, if you got a kid I’d hope you’d assume everyone is out to rape them until you decide otherwise. It literally happens too frequently to not approach it this way.