Crew members were still wearing their Disney uniforms when they were escorted away from the boat with their hands zip-tied behind their backs, reports say
Some travelers on Disney’s Magic cruise ship were left disturbed earlier this month after ICE agents stormed onto the vessel and detained several crew members.
Immigrant rights groups said at least 10 crew members were detained at the Port of San Diego on April 23 after the Disney-run cruise ship returned following a five-day trip.
Dharmi Mehta and her family had enjoyed their trip, but were upset when they saw the head waiter, whom they had become close with, being led away from the docked boat with his hands zip-tied behind his back.
Look I’m as anti-ICE as the rest of you, but did anyone read the charges? OP conveniently left out of their summary that these workers were arrested and deported as part of a child sexual exploitation material bust.
Why would you take what the Gestapo says at face value?
Look I’m as anti-ICE as the rest of you,…
Obviously not cause you believe what they say. When they’ll say anything to get what they want. Why did ICE do this? Why not the FBI? Why ICE? Is it because ICE is better equipped to handle this situation? Perhaps it is because ICE will accept any order given without question or concern for an individual’s rights?
I’d put my wager on the later.
It looks like the article was updated so I have no clue where the statement came from anymore.
I see where you are coming from and I’d agree if that’s the case, but it’s also the case that I don’t trust ICE.
For fucking real. “ICE says”, “The FBI states”, “President Trump screams” and so many other ways to preface absolute bullshit just leads to me ignoring it.
Right, ICE also claims all the people they arrest are rapists and murderers. So yeah, they broke that trust and all I’m thinking is they made up more bogus charges.
Also, it’s “The Independent”. I hate their clickbait nonsense and refuse to actually click on any of their articles for the last ten years. This is like the left wing version of Daily Heil in terms of bad journalism.
How the fuck is this not the Onion
OMG we are going to be so fucked when the supply chains start to break down. Who the fuck is going to bring goods to America if there is a chance your going to get arrested for doing business with them?
This is so comically stupid, that it kind of takes the wind out of how bad this is.
Not that I really expect Disney to ever do the right thing as such, but I can dream about Disney lawyers going all…
…in court for ICE fucking around with their “WOW” customer service ethos and therefore their bottom line.
Like when alien fights predator, or king Kong takes on godzilla
Lol what episode is this screenshot from?
Season 13 Ep 1 - The Ring
The Disney Magic is Bahama flagged. This is not US territory and ICE has no right to be on it what sort ever.
Nazis do what Nazis do
They can just invade the Bahamas after Cuba.
You think the average middle school dropout ICE agent knows that?
When a ship docks in a foreign country, the vessel and everyone on it enter that nation’s “internal waters”. Because of this, the crew is physically located on that country’s soil (or, more accurately, its territorial jurisdiction), meaning local laws apply to them.
but presumably us companies can employ individuals who are not citizens at “sites” which are not based in the us?
So your telling me I can wave a flag and laws don’t matter in port?
What law was being broken here? That employees from a foreign ship aren’t US citizens?
Possession of CSEM?
Yeah, I saw and that it sure feels like a total BS after-the-fact justification considering these were immigration agents who don’t investigate those kinds of crimes, these people aren’t in US jurisdiction so how did they even show up on their radar, and they apparently boarded a second ship from Holland and claimed those crewmembers were also part of this same alleged ring. What are the odds that all these people working on different ships from all over the world all happen to be part of a single CSAM ring and they all happened to be in a single port at the exact same time? Seems like you’d be more likely to win the Powerball two times in a row.
Whatever dumb shit they cooked up. You completely missed the point.
What was the point? You’re making a strawman claiming that “laws don’t matter in port” yet can’t even establish what immigration law was supposedly broken by foreign workers working on a foreign ship who hadn’t even stepped foot on US soil.
Be real fun if we start just arresting the crew of any ship we don’t like… Or like too much and want to steal. Lol who would come to a US port?
Not how it works. It was stopped in US waters and so was subject to local jurisdiction.
LMAO, I love it when conservatives pretend to care about “the law” when they support politicians who use it as toilet paper.
By “conservative” I assume you mean “someone who checked the laws” rather than referring to economic or social taste.
No, they mean an idiot supporting this behavior because ICE did it. ICE did it so its legal!
I will say ships in US ports flying US flags are subject to our laws, but nothing justifies the psychotic brutality of the brownshirts. It may have been legal behavior, but the death penalty was also legal (nationally) at one point. Its about the weight of the response. We didnt use butterknives for executions, and people shouldnt be attacked, be forced to follow contradictory commands, strung in weird positions with zip ties, kidnapped and disappeared, etc. Being brown doesnt mean you should be slammed in a
concentration campICE holding facility.You haven’t even cited a law that’s been violated yet.
They have the ability to board US boats flying US flags in (and out) of US ports for the purpose of enforcing the law. Well, local law enforcement can, and specific government organizations. Not ICE, though. They arent a government organization that was created and fully defined by congress. Making a govt organization isnt snapping fingers and pouring money into a black hole.
Even if they were an organization with the required credentials to execute local, national, and maritime law, they didnt have a reason to attack anyone. Zilch.
Never said any were. I was correcting someone who thought ships weren’t under US jurisdiction.
Not how it works. By your logic, ice can detain all personell on every vessel that docks in us? Bulk carriers, tankers, sea container? People who won’t set foot on us soil. send a boat, get your crew kidnapped. That’s going to go over well.
Well, yes. That is how international law stands.
So, what was the crime again?
eating a succulent Chinese meal!
Well, in this case it is how local law works.
Its the law of pirates and savages.
So, yeah, makes sense that its Americans employing it.
Hahaha, look at that guy thinking the law has any meaning in the US of A.
Sure it has meaning! All us peasents have to follow them.
It’s just not relevant to the king and his thugs.
Why the downvote this is obviously the truth? They get the maximum benefit of doubt while we get maximum suspicion.
I wonder how the Mickey takes his whiskey? Neat?
When corporations start bleeding profits bc of the terrible tangerine pedo, maybe they’ll start caring
They will care when he goes after the people employing them (he won’t)
Brown people? Not on my watch -ICE
as they employ BROWN people to attack other brown people.
They actually love brown people. They want their cheap labor and this stuff keeps people afraid and makes them keep their head down. It has the added benefit that they get to parade it around to their electorate like ‘something is being done’
It’s theater to keep poor white people in fly over states from realizing that the people in power are the ones selling them out and have been the entire time.
“Just” theater.
Such privileged hot takes.
For a ton of people it is theater.
ICE isn’t showing up in their neighborhood or at their work place. Their only experience with that shit is on the news or tiktok and it’s in a state they don’t live in and have never been to.
They didn’t say it was just theater. Interpreting it as theater is a privileged take, but I think it’s also true that one of the motivations of this horror show is to indulge the racism of the MAGA base to distract them from how they’re getting fucked over by this administration too.
Multiple things can be true at once.
The mouse Sieg Heil’s. Won’t you?
You know some asshole in a meeting was like you know let’s go raid a cruise ship
Cruise ships attract old white people - one of them must have called ICE to complain.
How does one call ICE?
I am not American.
Just point randomly at a shrub or something and about “there’s an illegal immigrant hiding over there!” Whichever one is nearby wasting out taxpayer dollars should waddle right over.
You don’t actually have to call, there’s a tip form on their website
…and the World Cup is around the corner. Stay home and watch it on TV or in your local pub, unless you have tickets for the matches in Mexico and Canada.
G’hyuck! You’re getting deported!
The only thing that would make that movie better is if Paul Dano was in it
What movie is this?
Wait, these crew members were on a ship, not on US soil. US Customs and Immigration is on land which you have to pass through to get to the USA. ICE actually dragged them onto US soil just so they could say they were there illegally? WTF?!
That’s not how it works.
Any ship in any country 's territorial waters is subject to that country’s laws.
ICE actually dragged them onto US soil just so they could say they were there illegally?
Oh you sweet summer child: ICE has already executed American citizens in broad daylight (on camera) for exercising their constitutional rights. Why would laws matter now?
I’m not talking about laws. I’m talking about their supposed mandate to deport those in the US illegally. These folks on the ship weren’t even in the USA so there was no need to take them into the USA to deport them.
There’s also plenty of people in the US legally they have detained and deported / have killed.
Their mandate is racism, control, and projecting power.
I don’t disagree with any of that, but it has nothing to do with my specific point.
Technically you need permission to dock. It means that the entire crew manifest was known to the government prior to arrival and they were given permission to dock. Then they were arrested. If there was a problem with them being in the US they should never have been given permission.
Applying logic here won’t work.
CBP comes onboard to process all the guests and crew before a ship gets to the US. I’m thinking these crew members couldn’t get their I-95’s and got deported (instead of not getting shore leave in the US) so that Trump can flood the zone with more “winning”.
I’m thinking these crew members couldn’t get their I-95’s and got deported
I’m thinking nobody bothered to check the paperwork and they just grabbed some people that weren’t “white enough”.
The handful of cruises I’ve been on you pass through CBP immediately after getting off the ship.
Apparently DCL registers its ships in the Bahamas. I don’t know if ICE/CBP have jurisdiction on foreign ships without a bunch of warrants.
Even if the workers aren’t eligible to enter the US, it should only be an issue if they disembark
Normally all people on a ship have to go through immigration at the first port the ship stops at in a country. Everyone has to go through the immigration process, whether they say they plan to go ashore or not.
That include passengers, crew and ship’s officers.
I know Disney’s lawyers are well funded and ruthless, but does anyone think they’ll go into bat for these people? They only seem to care about copyright infringement, not their actual workers.
You think Disney are going to go to bat for people on CSEM charges? Can’t see it myself.
Me neither. My question was expressing my doubt.
Well yeah “Disney helps free pedos” is not really a headline they’re going to want.
What’s with the presumption of guilt?
What presumption of guilt?
If it becomes a big enough embarrassment they’ll respond.
not their actual workers.
Are they even their “actual workers” or are they contractors?
(Read the tone as snark towards Disney for over using contractors and refusing to hire people, not at who I am replying to.)
Indeed. They’ll care even less about them. I’m sure they’re being exploited to the hilt. Fuck Disney.
If ICE shows they’ll storm a foreign flagged cruise ship to abduct crew members, why would any passenger think they wouldn’t also try to grab them, too?
Wearing an embroidered polo doesn’t change your rights.
This hurts the Disney image and the margins on their cruises, so they might.
I’ve done some work for Disney and the amount of effort that goes into the Disney image is astounding. It’s the main thing they care about besides money although they are related.
A high profile lawsuit might be seen as something which could also hurt their image. The entire population of The Villages would probably boycot Disney World. Hopefully Disney’s execs pay attention to public opinion and not just their golf buddies.
ICE vs MICE
Mickey Mouse organisation vs Mick-Mouse organisation
It depends if the optics become so severe it’s impossible for them to ignore.
There are ways to make that happen.
They seem to think they have jurisdiction in AMERICAN CITIZENS’ HOUSES without a judicial warrant; surely foreign ships are considered gimmes.
