Sigh
Do people still not get the U.S.? Despite the U.S. doing its best to let the whole world know exactly what it’s like?
Twice now we have run highly qualified women against a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, insurrectionist, low IQ, racist, loud mouth dipshit. And both times they lost to that felon rapist dipshit. We ran those women against the worst of the worst…AND THEY FUCKING LOST. And no, I do not care that one won the popular vote, cuz that shit doesn’t make people president in the U.S.
What more proof do we need that the U.S. isn’t ready for a female president? It took an extremely educated, personable, and charismatic black man just to finally get a black man as president. And there’s a lot of people out there a whole lot more open to a black man as president than ANY woman.
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She is a woman.
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She is not white.
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She is younger than any president ever. Voters tend not to want young people as president.
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While liked by the left, centrists do not like her. She’s too liberal for them. Same story with Bernie.
The odds are stacked against her. You don’t keep betting on a losing strategy if you want to win. That’s insanity. And I don’t know about y’all, but I’M TIRED OF FUCKING LOSING. And even if we avoid this treasonous Trump 3rd term bullshit, if another Republican wins the next one, they’ll probably get 8 years total. And that asshole will know all the things he can bend and break because Trump showed him. By the end of that 8 years, we really won’t have to worry about voting again. Or we’ll be one of those countries where we still “vote” but the same guy just keeps winning even though it doesn’t add up.
This is too fucking serious to be gambling on a long shot. She won’t win. And we’ll lose our futures. It’ll be the same as with Hillary and Kamala. It’ll seem locked in and the energy will be electrifying, and then the reality of America and American voters who aren’t associated with left leaning platforms like Reddit and Lemmy will kick in and we’ll fucking lose.
NOTE: I, personally, would love someone as left as AOC or Bernie to be president. That doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Reality exists and we have to work within its boundaries, or lose, forever.
She can win if you vote for her.
I don’t even like AOC that much but I’ll vote for her. And we know all you vote blues will anyway.
She can win if you vote for her.
She can’t win if I vote for her. She can win if ALL leftists and A LOT of centrists vote for her.
And that’s not happening in reality.
She can win if ALL leftists and A LOT of centrists vote for her.
So why did Harris pander to Republicans if this is the case? Why was there so much vitriol and dismissiveness when it came to courting leftists?
I love your one way pragmatism.
Hilary won the popular vote and she is a warmongers not a qualified women. Blame your shitty electoral system. Hilary is one of the dumbest politicians. People was saying a muslim communist politician would not win, mamdani won. People used to say a blackcpresiden would never win, Obama won twice.
Aoc has better chsnce than the idiot Newsome.
This is all based on believing that Harris only lost because she was a woman of color. Pretty shortsighted honestly.
very shortsighted. I blame the DNC running Biden for far too long and then lying to their base about why Kamala lost. It’s very obvious that Kamala would have been 100% more competent than Trump. She should have won in a landslide, & I’m from Minnesota where she did win. She just didn’t distance herself from the growing unpopular and conservative tint that Biden started really showing especially after/regarding October 7th /israel.
What I’ve also been wondering about this; Hasn’t AOC also said she doesn’t really want to run for president, is there anyone with some knowledge that can point me to that or was I making that up? I could swear I remember something about her seeing congress as her long term thing as she sees it as more strategic?
This is all based on believing that Harris only lost because she was a woman
I mean I listed 4 specific reasons why AOC wouldn’t win. She shares 3 of them with Harris. And yeah, the being a woman one is a HUGE reason in this country. Clearly Harris made her own unique mistakes. The 4 reasons I listed are more than enough to keep AOC from the presidency.
Oh come on, don’t clip the quote like that. If you’re going to quote me, quote in full.
I think AOC could win depending on how sour the American people turn on Trump and I don’t think those 3 reasons are why Harris lost.
Buddy Harris was a trash candidate. She came in like 10th in the 2020 primaries behind other women and people of color. Comments like yours just protect Biden’s reputation.
What’s a name you would toss out to run and win?
White Man
Cuz that’s a winning strategy in this country. And I like playing to win, not playing based on my ideals, which more often than not will result in a loss and make me the least happy.
I figured just curious which one(s) you would advocate for.
Goodie. Another centrist, genocide supporting, strike blocking piece of shit.
Funny how the the Liberals unconditionally supporting hyper right win Harris on Lemmy are against AOC.
Centerists are very frustrated we leftists haven’t learned our place.
The problem is that US politicians are not acting with voter’s futures in mind, and the “progressive” ones & their constituents seem to believe that the only way things will get better is if they continue to bend the knee and cater to a constantly devolving status quo. Progress doesn’t happen when you reduce your goals, and change doesn’t happen without force. If reality doesn’t account for you, you need to make it so. I suppose it’s just a matter of it needing to get so bad that you realize the future was never promised to anyone to begin with.
Progressives are very not content with the Satan’s quo. But it seems to be the position of the DNC and every centrist Democrat that they would rather bend the knee to the party of pedophiles before they would ever side with any progressives. Like the democrats are their own worst enemy. I mean most of the GOP are dumb as rocks or assaulting children violently and sexually.
Not disagreeing with you. But are you gonna grab a gun and be the leader of the revolution?
Cuz anyone that isn’t prepared to do that (everyone as far as I can tell) should be open to the realistic path of electing Democrats to ensure we don’t collapse into a fascist nation, then reforming that party by primarying the bad actors out. Party reformation is possible and has happened multiple times in American history.
this attitude is exactly why Biden became president. and what happened? genocide, fascism.
this is conventional bs and believing in it is what made everyone underestimate mango mussolini, and more importantly, what made democrats lose to him. twice.
this attitude
It’s not an attitude. It’s the United States of America, on display, being very clear about what it is. And what it is is not a country ready to elect a woman. That has been made abundantly clear, in reality, multiple times.
Losing strategies do not win.
Know what else happened when Biden was president? Not the crazy fucking shit we’re seeing now. And a few genuine progressive wins. I’ll take that over whatever actual fascist genocidal shit the Republicans can cook up with another 8 years of power after this.
It’s funny that you choose Biden as an example as that old white dude is the only winner we’ve had in the last 3 elections.
Choose the same losing strategy that lost the last two times we tried it and be prepared to lose again, with even higher stakes.
It’s almost impressive how you can decidedly declare that because 2 women have not been voted into the presidency that there are absolutely NO OTHER WOMEN who could possibly be successful.
I think this viewpoint speaks a lot more about your own personal views than anything actually rooted in reality.
Highly qualified centrist women… This “iT wAs SeXiSm” take is trite and frankly fucking boring at this point. Maybe we should run an actual leftist brown woman to isolate the variables?
This “iT wAs SeXiSm” take is trite and frankly fucking boring at this point.
I’m sorry the reality of the country you live in hasn’t set in yet.
Maybe we should run an actual leftist brown woman to isolate the variables?
Hey, it worked the last time we tried running an actual leftist who was a WHITE MALE who every leftist adored. Oh wait, he lost the primary popular vote both times and never had a real shot at the presidency. Oops.
Sanders got ratfucked in the primary and still managed to crush Hillary in much of the Rust Belt, the exact places where she lost to Trump in the general. Fuck your revisionist nonsense.
Hell Warren would have done better than Harris. Harris was just a trash candidate who came in like 10th in the 2020 primaries behind other women and people of color.
If you remember the 2020 primary, the “can a woman really win” questions really ramped when Warren was briefly leading, not when Harris looked like she was the hot up and comer. There’s nothing legitimate behind these concern trolling campaigns, just establishment centrists showing how similar to Republicans they really are.
You’re so close!
You’re right… Kamala is not dumb.
So, why’d she spend so much time and money on pursuing Republican voters? The campaign’s outreach was unprecedented.
Independents are required to win elections. The Democrats and Republicans both know this, it’s common knowledge and irrefutable, a mathematical fact.
So… why waste time and money courting Republicans? That’s never worked before, and it won’t start working now.
She knew exactly what she was doing. She took a knee.
Why, we will probably never know.
(what other reason could there be? feel free to share. this is an unsettling thought to me and nobody has offered me a viable alternative to her motivation for R outreach)
No way, she was playing to win. They were hoping some republicans on the fringe would switch if she buddied up with some of the decent republicans that Trump hated, the problem was too many people were fucked so badly by the current system they just wanted to burn everything down with the hope that whatever replaced it would be better.
We all see how that went. They were hoodwinked by the same grifter and they all fell for it again.
Sounds like you are not getting the U.S.
Both the red and blue party are the same and everyone running for these is scum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Gaza_war
Both the red and blue party are the same
There is no faster way on the internet to prove to everyone that you have no clue what you’re talking about than to make this statement.
Both Sider’s are wasting everyone’s time and causing more harm than good.
There is also no even remotely viable 3rd party and absolutely, positively will not be by 2028. So again, you are wasting everyone’s time with nonsense.
Both Sider’s are wasting everyone’s time and causing more harm than good.
How the fuck are they causing any harm when the red and blue party have been cycling in power for the past century and are the source of all the issues?
There is also no even remotely viable 3rd party and absolutely, positively will not be by 2028. So again, you are wasting everyone’s time with nonsense.
I would argue that this logic is causing way more harm and non sense because any party can win the elections.
They’re not the same! But they are both for sale. They don’t have any actual bedrock values or anything.
For example, Ds are the “pro-labor” party, but minimum wage is just over seven bucks and unions have been destroyed (from 40 to 10%, the remainder are mostly cops and government). We have been surpassed by Poland. Face it.
Rs are the “state’s rights” party, but the second they hold office they pass the Patriot Act and fund ICE and withhold funds from the states and ignore their courts.
Look at the results, don’t listen to the bloviating, that’s just to fuck with your head.
the Patriot Act
You’re speaking of the bipartisan Patriot Act?
But they’re not the same lol
They’re not the same! But they are both anti-union and pro military-industrial-complex (or anyone else with a fortune to spend).
They disagree on trans and gay issues… because they just don’t have the cash, really.
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She’s the only one I’m voting for. Don’t be afraid to vote for her, many others will, your vote will not be wasted.
Then you better show up to the primary
I think she actually has a good chance. She would get a pretty good turnout from energized progressives, but she would also get the gooner votes. How could a Republican beat that?
How could a Republican beat that?
Maybe the same way they ran a felon rapist pedophile insurrectionist low IQ loud mouth loser who won against female candidates…twice.
She’s the only one I’m voting for.
Are you saying that if she doesn’t make it to the general, you’re not voting in the general?
Cuz that makes you garbage if so.
Yea, but it doesn’t make me garbage, it makes the system garbage. Electing a true progressive in 2028 is our last chance to avoid a revolution.
Good, carry on AOC!
I’d laugh so hard if the backlash against trump was an AOC presidency!
Simpsons predicted it.
As you know, we’ve inherited quite a budget crunch from President Trump
And I would NEVER let any maga family live it down. Everytime would be like that Asian surgeon from Scrubs.
I should watch Scrubs again
New season either just came out or is about to.
I would start spending money in the US again
Well, there is a thing called counterculture. One generation didn’t like the prevailing culture they grew up in, and so they go against it and set new values. This then leads to the following generation disliking that new culture and go against it.
Rinse and repeat.
Pendulum effect
Counterculture requires the existence of a monoculture.
Since the 2000s, there’s ONLY split cultures that all consider themselves countercultures. Hell, Republicans think they’re rebelling against the elites and deep state.
AOC President with Bernie as Senate Majority Leader.
Less terrible than Trump. Still, Republican policies under a different cloak. We need more Mamdani style people in the mix.
Many believe Harris lost in 2024 because voters viewed her as too progressive, and that Ocasio-Cortez could face the same problem.
Who’s this “many”? Kamala lost because of her Joe Biden neolib policies, her hard heel-turn to the right, and her “nothing will change, we are the most lethal military” stance on the Middle East.
Instead of reassuring the masses who she thought were a shoe-in, she tried to appease the “I’ll never vote for a black woman” crowd, which alienated the former and would never have worked on the latter.
It was either the greatest miscalculation ever, lead by Third Way focus groups, or someone tugged the leash. Either way, with the GOP rat fucking that was almost certainly happening to some degree.
Pretty shitty of Newsweek to pretend that progressive policies are unpopular with a majority of Americans.
Harris was progressive? Really?
Progressively endorsed by Dick Cheney
Excited to see George w bush on the campaign trail with Gavin Newsome!
In fairness to Newsweek, based on the sentence before this, I think they mean, “many in the party establishment,” not, “many people in general.”
She brings significant energy to the primary among younger voters, but some in the Democratic Party establishment believe her progressive policies could alienate swing voters in the general election. Many believe Harris lost in 2024…
We’d prolly know for sure if they released the report. Ken Martin needs to be fired.
You think Walmart Americans thought this deeply? She lost because she is annoying.
Personally, I think it is because there was no Democratic Party primary. Biden stole the time that any potential candidate could have used to prove their mettle to voters.
Yeah, I would also actually lay more blame on Biden over Kamela, despite Kamela being a pretty terrible candidate
DNC has already shown they aren’t taking that as the lesson learnt. They won’t even release the 2024 autopsy cause they don’t like what it says
It was obvious the party was cooked in 2018 - when, in response to regaining power after losing in a great upset to an insane game show host, they kept the exact same leadership.
They fucked over Hogg too, don’t forget
Yeah, it was shown in NYC as well, vote blue no matter who only goes one way with them
She came out look ling like Darth vader in one of the televised things she did and did the war hawk dance. Fuck off forever, you lost to Donald Fucking Trump after spending 1.5 billion.
The 1.5bn spend is the DNC payday.
There are many contradictory opinions on why Harris lost. These opinions usually boil down to “Her policy positions weren’t close enough to my policy positions, and that’s why she lost.”
And every other leftist on this site seems to believe that she would have won, had she just pandered to them more. Completely ignoring the fact that leftism essentially doesn’t exist in this country, and Lemmy isn’t an accurate representation of American voters.
Meanwhile 5 minutes later you’ll be blaming the Gaza non-voters for her losing without a hint of self-awareness.
Well, it’s pretty obvious that running for the Liz Cheney voter did not work.
It’s hard to tell if allowing Cheney to campaign for her helped, hurt, or had very little impact at all. I suspect the latter, but we’ll never know because we can’t rerun the race.
Again, looking at the 2024 race, it is obvious it did not work. Because she lost. And badly.
In that sense, everything she did “didn’t work.” Centrists will site her progressive policies as the culprit and say those didn’t work, because she didn’t win. The fact is, neither of you know what the but-for cause of her loss was, but you want to believe it was the one that serves your position.
You did fall out of the coconut tree
Yeah, major miscalculation for sure
Having seen it with Gore, Kerry, Obama (post win), Clinton, and now Harris, it’s not a single mistake. The Dems would always prefer to lose to the right than win to the left.
Biden had COVID, so it’s just outside the norm.
Right, because there is no proper left in this country, and Democrats are centrists who want to continue the status quo
Yup, and so they ratchet in what the right has done. As the status quo is not a static thing.
its almost like all legacy media is inherently fascist
She literally campaigned with Liz Cheney. Too progressive? Lmao no one believes that shit except brainwashed magats.
Crazy how every rag shifts between blaming gaza voters for her loss while simultaneously claiming Harris was “too progressive”.
Essentially, she showed herself as who she truly is: an establishment Democrat more intent on maintaining the status quo instead of listening to the left and helping push the party further towards progressive policies and reshaping the party into something that represents the modern constituency.
Yeah that.
Many = the author. Every time.
I remember during the Trump/Harris debate when Israel came up and they both took turns declaring they could suck off Israel harder than their opponent.
I do not consider Harris a progressive.
No, she lost because she was black and a woman. People always underestimate just how racist and sexist the US is. Don’t fall into this trap.
A THIRD of people, only slightly smaller than the third that voted for Trump, voted for Harris based on the fact that she WASN’T TRUMP. Another third didn’t vote because they felt her stance on Israel wasn’t enough to offset that she wasn’t Trump. I don’t feel it had anything to do with her race or gender.
Pretty crazy to write that the third that didn’t vote, did so because of Israel lol
It’s more like the tenth that sometimes vote simply weren’t excited enough.
Everyone looks at the third that didn’t vote as if it would magically change everything. But even if they did vote it wouldn’t change the outcome all that much. It’s like everyone just ignores the Law of Large Numbers.
Women won three of the swing states she lost and a Hispanic man won a fourth. It’s hard to imagine an explanation more out of line with actual evidence.
The polls say otherwise. She was leading after her announcement, when she was still talking about healthcare reform, economic justice, taxing the rich, etc. For about three weeks.
Then she talked to her business rep corpo brother, and shifted gear to espousing pro-corporate policy, defending the wealthy, calling leftists Bernie bros, etc, and fell behind.
I agree that Palestine made little difference, btw. It cost her around half a million votes, but she lost by three times that. That’s looking at state by state, too.
She lost because she turned herself into Biden 2, instead of what people wanted her to be, which was Obama (until he became President. He lied very well, then governed well enough that we forgave him for being friends with the corps).
Case in point: your bullshit comment.
“Oh, it couldn’t possibly be her shitty policy positions; it had to have been because of her race and gender!”
Fuck all the way off with your soft bigotry of low expectations.
You couldn’t mention her name around here without a bandwagon of “She’s the literal genocide queen and a vote for her is a vote to murder Palestinian children.”
Since you mentioned the name, I did notice quite obviously the disrespect everyone had toward Kamala Harris in the news and online comments simply due what they called her.
Almost everywhere, it was quite common for people to refer to her as Kamala and not Harris.
I suspect it was either due to her being a woman, or due to her being Indian (Kamala sounds a lot more foreign than Harris).
It was always “Kamala vs Trump” never Harris vs Trump or Kamala vs Donald.
Almost everywhere, it was quite common for people to refer to her as Kamala and not Harris.
Because that’s the more unique and thus memorable part of her name. Just like “Bernie” is more memorable than “Sanders”.
It wasn’t a sign of disrespect, sexism, or othering to call Bernie by his first name, and it wasn’t in the case of Kamala Harris either.
Anyone who says otherwise is likely grasping at straws to explain away the fact that it was mostly her policy positions and allegiance to Biden, corporations, and Israel over the people she was SUPPOSED to represent that lost her the election rather than bigotry.
I assumed it was the woman aspect, hadn’t even considered the foreign aspect.
https://news.asu.edu/20170721-solutions-asu-mayo-study-how-female-doctors-introduced
I have a really hard time remembering how to pronounce her first name because I know someone with the same spelling but different pronunciation, (and I read the news, don’t watch it) so to avoid saying it wrong I only ever said Harris.
That sounds exactly like something those Sandersbros would do.
You mean like calling Sanders “Bernie”? Funny how you changed it to Sandersbros so you could defame people without immediately looking like an idiot
But “around here” is representative of what? 5% of voters? 16% of democratic voters max? Let’s not pretend Lemmy users represent a sizable number of democratic voters.
I mean, she did support the genocide. Which murdered tens of thousands of Palestinian children. What is your point?
Thank you for illustrating my point. And I’m sure you feel like Trump is doing a fantastic job with human rights, at home and abroad (when he comes up for air while gargling Bibi’s balls, of course).
And I’m sure you feel like Trump is doing a fantastic job with human rights
Why don’t you just go have a nice tea party with the little strawman you’ve created?
The only thing Trump is doing a great job at is destroying the US. Whether that’s good or not, debatable.
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”
Yes! Thank you. This is exactly my point. You’ve illustrated it perfectly 😘
Only on Lemmy
Yeah, that’s not true.
But if it was, then you need to be asking why, in an election they claimed was existential, the Democratic Party anointed a black woman to run as their candidate against Trump.
Because that’s the conclusion of the excuse you’re making - that the Democrats can only nominate men, or they’re choosing to lose.
No no, that’s the trap of their narrative. “The Democrats are always just bending over backwards trying to promote minority candidates even when the deck is stacked against them, because they’re just such true believers in progressive ideals.”
The reality is, by playing up the “progressiveness” of a candidate’s inherent characteristics, they can be quietly used as a vehicle for conservative policies that make their donors happy. This is a strategy that’s very played out around the world, even Pakistan once had their own version of Margaret Thatcher, and Japan just go theirs recently.
From the perspective that progressive politics are completely off the table, picking a minority candidate was a tactically reasonable choice. A candidate’s race and gender are about the only “concessions” they could give to the left, while courting their donors.
But the problem with that is that second-wave feminism, the kind that tends to see Thatcherites as a win, never caught on in the US like it did in the UK, and third-wave, which is more popular these days, accounts for that failure and focuses more on systemic issues and policy than individual leaders.
But any strategy that might work to get progressives to bend the knee to neoliberalism will be tried again and again, and if it fails they’ll just chalk it up to sexism or whatever other bullshit.
It’s possible that it she was a white man, and absolutely nothing else was different, that she very well might have just barely eeked out a victory. That’s still a failure. It should have been a blowout. It was a failure of a campaign, racism and sexism against the candidate by the general public was a component, but the least relevant one.
Exactly. People forget that Biden in 2020 under performed polls, and it’s pretty clear that absent COVID he would have lost.
I agree, even if Biden was 20 years younger I think he would have won. If he was 20 years younger and female and Indian he would have lost just as Harris did.
It was definitely policy that hindered them, but also the sexism and racism.
Yeah. Her argument was that she was Joe Biden, but younger and more diverse. But Joe Biden was LOSING. Even before his debate performance. And he only barely won in 2020, which also should have been a blowout.
It’s not the blackness or the femaleness, it’s doubling down on shitty uninspiring politics. An old white male Joe Biden was going to lose even worse than the middle aged black female Joe Biden.
You’re in the trap unfortunately
Just bad luck a woman has never been president in the US in your mind?
I’ll pray for you
You and all the other rednecks in that backwards country. May your God have mercy as long as you pay him every week.
Lord have mercy on this lost sheep
The sample size isn’t that large. I do think people are sexist (which just seems incredibly obvious) however both Clinton and Harris did run in bad environments for Democrats. Clinton followed up a two term Democrat which usually favors the opposition in the US, and Harris ran during high inflation which the Biden administration spent two years denying and gaslighting people about.
I think Clinton also would’ve won if that asshole Comey hadn’t sabotaged her at the last minute.
Most incumbents globally lost in 2024. People are too focused on the micro and not the macro in this thread. And Biden set her up to fail in so many ways.
I’d like to see a woman run in a more favorable environment, which I think 2028 will be, because I think she could win even if she got fewer votes than a man would.
No, she lost because she was black and a woman.
“Kamala Harris ran the perfect campaign, she was just stabbed in the back!”
KHive is the new Freikorp
Maybe if the Friekorps confined itself to shit posting on Facebook
I dunno, they seem to have had at least half the Trump assassination attempts so far?
It seems American voters want right wing vs far right.
I’m pretty sure it was the opposite. I still voted for her cause Trump was worse. But I felt then like I do now. She’s a Republican. Her policies are conservative and Republican.
Agreed she’s Republican Lite. Socially liberal but fiscally she acts far more like 1980s republicans.
Socially liberal
And just like most “socially liberal, fiscally conservative” people, she just thinks we should “follow the law” about trans people.
they do this every time though. The centrists fail, so obviously the answer is more centrism.
More centrism to the right, of course, never to the left.
Yup.
However, the immediate effect of not voting for the lesser evil is either not voting, meaning the right wins, or voting for candidates with no chance of winning, taking votes away from the more left ones and allowing the right to win. “More right” is better than “all the way to the far right.”
If you’re not going to change direction, the speed at which you’re moving right isn’t really important. You’re getting there anyways.
It is important, because continuing that way isn’t a foregone conclusion, despite you acting like it is.
Sure thing Charlie Brown, one day you’re gonna kick that DNC football!
cant believe so called leftists will vote another establishment democrat candidate
We generally need like 50 more AOC’s please.
Part of me hates to see her try. As long as she is straddling the line between serious presidential candidate and popular US House member my head cannon reasons there is still some sanity in some small part of our political institutions.
Watching her actually seriously try to get the top job and watching the DNC ruin her for it would be so depressing.
Fingers crossed that this won’t turn into a Bernie situation. If we get past the primaries, fingers crossed this won’t turn into a Obama/Fetterman situation.
Do people genuinely think someone running for a party that backed a genocide can be any good and that should be voted?
genuinely she’s the only worthwhile candidate I can imagine. I really hope she does it.
Well her or Bernie. But… you know, age and all.
Yeah no one would vote for an old guy
He was pushing it the last time he ran
I agree but I heard him in a recent interview and man is it wild how much sharper he is than Biden and Trump
I’d still vote for Bernie, but I don’t think he wants to run again. I’d also vote for Sen. Warren.
I generally don’t (think I) vote based on demographics. I am more interested in platform (primarily) and past performance (secondarily).
The democratic party funded by AIPAC will rather see Trump for a third time than having AOC as president.
Gotta get the red Dems out.
It would be easier to start a new party at this rate looking at where that money comes from… I say knowing there is still no direct alternative despite decades of trying from other minor parties…
Rather than having a woman as president*
Why the down votes for this comment?
Cuz they already ran a woman for president, twice. So saying the dems don’t want a woman president is just categorically false.
Bold to assume that’s what I was saying 😂
Men don’t want a women running this country sadly
They’re run 2 candidates that lost to the GOP that were women already. Where is the idea that the Dems won’t run a woman coming from?
Or something more nefarious at foot.
I mean there are a lot of men who don’t want that.
White women voted for Trump. Does that mean there’s lots of white women who won’t vote for a woman?
Yes, but I’m just pointing out people are fucking sexist here
Well, perhaps it is concern that the Dems shouldn’t run a woman, not that they haven’t. The reality of the situation is that there is still plenty of closeted (some less so) misogyny among Democrats such that a woman is going to have a harder time winning than a man (all other things being equal) in the general. Add a racial minority, socdem, and 8 years of GOPedo vilification on top of that and you have an even harder path forward than Clinton or Harris, especially if the GOP nominee in 2028 is an outwardly reasonable, straight, white, male. I still think that the GOPedos stole the 2024 election, but I also think that their steal may not have been successful if a straight, white, male had replaced Biden instead of a brown woman. Not that I want any of this to be true, but I think it is where we are currently.
Ideologues that vote solely on what genitals a candidate has
Even the chuddiest chuds I know don’t express anything remotely like that opinion. Racism, xenophobia, and Islamophobia are all either open topics or simmering just below the surface of political discussion, but not the sex of a politician. Nevertheless, the hand-winging centrists are sure there’s a wellspring of otherwise gettable voters that are driven by that single issue. And its salience magically rises and falls depending on whether there’s a popular female progressive.
This is why you lose elections
Oh, I’m sorry. I thought your original response was mocking that take. I try to assume good faith so someone writing that sincerely didn’t make sense.
Fair point, but it feels bad to accept.
AOC is doing her best to keep friendly with the J-Street Israel lobby lately.
No. Quit running women. Im sorry, but it just is not time. They are only putting women candidates up to give Republicans easy wins. FFS Biden beat Trump … BIDEN, who is pretty much just a Republican himself.
Democrats want the immigrant vote, but the Hispanics mostly voted Trump because of abortion (Catholics) and because they did not want to vote for a woman.
AOC would be a decent Potus … but it is unlikely she could win, if she does win it will be a close one. The Republicans could run a woman and win … but I doubt dems can.
Lmao Kamala lost because all of the people who’d normally vote for a democratic woman where put off by a wishy-washy, genocide defending, hard-on-crime neolib.
No one wants neoliberalism, and if you want socialism to take its place instead of fascism, neolibs need to get the fuck out of the way.
Why did the other woman also lose against the felon rapist pedophile insurrectionist low IQ loud mouth dipshit?
I guess anything to avoid accepting that women can’t win the presidency in the U.S.
Fuck it, let’s keep running a losing strategy. Everyone knows the more you run a losing strategy, the more likely it is to work.
Neoliberalism is the losing strategy. No one willing to vote for a woman wants to vote for neoliberal.
The terrible shit trump and his cronies do have been happening “under the nose” of neoliberalism for decades.
I would know, I voted for her a month after my first dose of estrogen. Her losing completely fucking changed the trajectory of my transition. My vote was for my survival, and my survival alone. No one I know who voted for her did it because of a hard set belief in neoliberalism.
Tons of people who didn’t vote where pissed over her being an establishment neoliberal. No one wants more of the status qou anymore, its not fucking working.
No one wants neoliberalism,
Nobody on Lemmy wants neoliberalism. Maybe try leaving your house for once and talking to people in real life.
Yeah most of them are either buying into righ-wing grifters or starting to lean into socialist tendencies, wishing for things like free healthcare and even ubi.
Sorry. You’ll continue to be downvoted by people who want to continue losing by continuing to bet on a clearly losing strategy.
But they won’t admit it because their ideals are more important to them than accepting the reality they live in.
Imagine going to the track every week and placing a large bet on the same horse that loses every single time but you just keep betting on that horse. That’s who you’re dealing with here.
These same people are going to cry foul when Trump 3.0 or Trump Lite (Vance) wins in 2028.
Democrats are starting their primary already? Must want to try and get people to vote in the midterms.
No, it clearly states in the article that this data was from a poll conducted by AtlasIntel, a Brazilian marketing company. They also point out that not a single other poll has gotten these results. This post is very misleading. But people see a headline they like, and they upvote/comment without bothering to read the articles.
If you wanted people to read the article, why didnt you post it in the comments?
The link to the article is literally at the top of the page you posted this comment on. Just scroll up. Why do I need to post something that OP already posted?
