It’s been a while so I’ll say it again.
I’m not a lawyer, but anyone saying “it’s time for the 25th amendment” doesn’t know shit about the 25th amendment. Here’s the text of section 4, which is the part that allows the president to be disempowered:
Section 4.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
If you’re illiterate or allergic to Constitution-speak, that means that the VP and a bunch of Cabinet members can get together and say “he can’t do the job, he’s not the President anymore”, but the President can just say “yes I can and yes I am” and it doesn’t count. If they really want to fight over it, it goes to Congress to decide, and if Congress wanted to get rid of Trump they would have already.
It’s not a viable option, and anyone telling you it is is badly misinformed at best.
Good luck getting Vance to openly oppose trump too. I don’t think he has the guts.
I’ve been sending his office little blackpills from burner accounts just on the evidence that I get read receipts from the messages. I know it doesn’t amount to anything but it’s giving me the strength to hold on, being one of the schizo voices in some clerk’s head
Yep you would need the same 2/3rds as you would need for an impeachment anyway
It’s actually harder than impeachment. Impeachment requires a majority of the House to impeach, then 2/3 of the Senate to remove the person from office. The 25th requires 2/3 vote in both houses.
With the level of criminality and incompetence that Trump has displayed, impeachment would be the better option.
If I’m reading it right the VP and Congress can then say “nuh-uh” in the third step of the process. Which is the same as the first step, no?
So if they decide to do it and he appeals they only have to do the same again. Why is that not valid?
A “nuh-uh” from the VP and Cabinet is what sends it to Congress.
the link to “national wired” is a forward to “the daily sight” which seems to be some tabloid of unknown origin that does not even have record on media bias fact check, and the text there is full of speculation, but not even these speculations support claim in the headline.
this post is blatant manipulation and lie and should be removed.
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the heritage crew are letting Trump go mental and ruin everything so they can drain his base and get rid of him for good while transferring everything over to the lab grown puppet of Vance.
They don’t exactly have any good choices now that Trump has truly gone off the deep end. Vance isn’t going to be able to inspire the rabid mob like Trump could, but he’s their only card to play.
They hooked all their hopes on Trump lasting a few more years and now they’re going to go down with him.
I think that’s why they’re letting him do all this war stuff going against all the stuff they voted for. It won’t jettisoned the true cultists but a lot of the less ardent MAGA followers will likely shift
Please! Do it! Before tomorrow when he plans to murder thousands or millions with nukes.
Don’t wait til tomorrow!!!
They’re never going to 25’ him. That would totally destroy their base and create at least 3 new republican parties from it
Website doesn’t load content on my browser, what is 25th amendment for those of us on the other side of the world
It outlines the process of removing a sitting president from office if they are unfit to serve and unwilling to resign.
It also details the procedure in the event that the president dies, is temporarily unable to serve, or fully resigns, or if the VP dies or resigns.
It doesn’t provide a mechanism for removal. It adds clearer definitions of when to effect a temporary transference of power (for example the President is sick/injured but receiving some treatment but will recover, like President Cleveland having surgery for cancer), and how a vacant office of Vice President will be filled (for example the President has died or resigned or was removed after impeachment and the VP ha been sworn in as President, like Jonhson after the Kennedy assassination). The temporary nature here is the operative part. The Vice President is still the Vice President, and under the amendment the President just has to inform Congress that they are fit to resume their duties and they automatically do so after 4 days unless the VP can get the Cabinet to again vote otherwise, and then it would go to Congress to resolve. A removed President doesn’t have an avenue to just show up and say they’re coming back.
It’s the only legal mechanism to remove a sitting president. I believe a majority of his cabinet has to get together and decide as a group that the obvious fact that he’s a pudding brained numnut is grounds for removal.
Note: I am not American and could have some points wrong, but it’s the only way to remove him.
It’s not the only legal mechanism, for example, impeachment.
But it is one of the only ways, yes.
You’re certainly forgiven as a non-American. I bet you know tons more about US government than I do about your country. MAYBE unless you’re UK and that only because I watch enough panelshows to have picked up on a bit, although probably still less than you know about US government. :)
White House reports discuss possible 25th Amendment removal of Donald Trump
This article has a misleading, clickbaity headline. They mean reporting on comments made by Dems, old guard Never Trump Republicans, and a former cabinet member about the White House, not a report coming from the White House. It’s the same whispers we hear every time Trump says something slightly more insane than usual.
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if he steps down at any point before the next election with the promise of being fully pardoned by Vance.
Hahahaha only death will remove him. He won’t step down and Vance can’t take over Maga. Without Trump this all falls apart. So unless they have gotten everything in place that they are 100% sure they never have to worry about voting again. Trump not going anywhere. And if he dies before they are ready they have an AI version in the ready to go.
pardoned by Vance
theres a lot of sht Vance cant pardon him for… war crimes come to mind
That might matter if we had any intention of prosecuting him for those crimes. It should be pretty obvious by now that we don’t do that around here.
Zero chance.
There is no world in which trump trusts someone to protect him AFTER he gives up his power. Because he backstabs everyone the second they aren’t useful to him.
Generally, I completely agree, but if his back is to the wall and this is the only way out, I could see it happening. He had to know that as soon as he’s out of office, he’s going to be absolutely fucked.
I mean, we watched that happen.
He led a violent insurrection against the US government with the goal of lynching congress and his own VP.
Yeah, but he knew Pence didn’t have his back then. This time he made sure to pick someone that would swear fealty.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets Epsteined. He knows a lot of things, or at least has access to a lot of information, and he has a bad habit of running his mouth. All it’d take is one unhinged tweet where he throws everyone else under the bus to put a lot of political careers into question.
He has lots of access to information, but he’s not someone who pays attention or learns much.
It didn’t happen during the 4 years that he was out of office, I doubt it’s going to happen now.
If he got a Vance pardon, that’s exactly when I’d expect him to do it. He’s just narcissistic enough to be like “Ha! I won and you losers lost. Here’s all the names of the people who were fucking kids right alongside me, but I got pardoned and I’m untouchable. Good luck, losers.”
He can “pardon himself” remember ? 🤣
