There could be a song called “kill all the fascists” and republicans would still think it was a song for them.
Reminds me of that video of magats rocking out on RATM Killing in the name of, having absolutely no idea what the song is about
Conservative Politian: When did RATM get political?
Tom Morello: Tell me what song in our catalog you don’t think is political and I’ll remove it.
Some of those that work forces
Are the same that burn crossesah, the cryptic lyrics were too opaque for the conservative brain
They just assumed that’s who the song was for. Killing in the name of God doesn’t automatically register as bad for these folks.
I hope Jerrod was spammed with links to the official music video, it shows clearly what the song is about.
A timeless classic 🤘🏼😄🤘🏼
I especially like that the mom tries “apply water to face” as treatment for being thrown from the second story of a building not once, but TWICE 😄
Ah yes, conservatives. The same guys that have no idea what machine is being raged against.
Inability to understand and interpret parody and satire is a conservative trait which transcends cultural boundaries in my experience.
The dishwasher, obviously.
The printer, it’s the printer
PC load letter… what the fuck is that?
This was always my favorite. Seeing conservatives say things like, “I loved you guys growing up! Why did you change?” And it’s like, they’ve been pretty consistent their entire career silly guy
They thought they were raging against just the school principal or the fax machine.
It’s group identity shift conflicting with memory, I think. Group identity did allow agreeing with “you guys” 20 years ago, but now it doesn’t. It’s hard to choose in favor of things you liked and against your group.
I’m from a completely different country and all, but 20 years ago my sister had a friend from such a family that she mostly was interested in Christian versions of all the same art, Christian fantasy, Christian rock, it’s strange. At the same time Harry Potter was allowed, and, eh, USSR nostalgia too. Now the former wouldn’t be, I think, and the latter has turned into something almost national-socialist, nothing cool there, in such groups. (OK, this might seem more contrast than it really is, honestly for such people USSR nostalgia even then had such traits, even a bit before I was born probably.)
The dude in makeup and fishnet stockings? Did they even see the video to the song?
daily reminder when the nazis say this kind of shit they’re not being stupid they are intentionally lying to confuse and recruit.
Often, it’s both.
Crossdressing and anti-authoritarianism aside, didn’t Dee Snider literally have to defend his work to Congress when Tipper Gore founded the PMRC?
Yes, I belive Dee and Zappa testified.
Jello Biafra too!
PMRC mentioned, must post Naked Aggression.
Dee Sider’s testimony before congress. It’s 36 minutes long so buckle up. Best part of the whole thing is Al Gore’s response when Dee said that the sadomasochism, bondage, and rape Tipper finds in his songs is because she went looking for it.
The first five words are literally “We’ve got the right to choose”. I mean, c’mon people. Show a little effort.
The right to choose to control everyone else, obviously!
These people probably see Marc Metcalf in the video for this song and in Animal House and somehow conclude that his character is the hero?
This just in, the drag performer who sang the words:
We’ve got the right to choose and
there ain’t no way we’ll lose it
This is our life, this is our song
We’ll fight the powers that be just
don’t pick our destiny cause
You don’t know us, you don’t belonghas disavowed conservative values!
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In 2022, Snider tweeted about the use of the song by right-wing activists, "ATTENTION QANON, MAGAT FASCISTS: Every time you sing ‘We’re Not Gonna Take It’ remember it was written by a cross-dressing, libtard, tree hugging half-Jew who HATES everything you stand for. It was you and people like you that inspired every angry word of that song! SO FUCK OFF!
All the cool people of history are woke.
In November 2023, after the October 7 attacks, Snider was asked if he agreed with Israel soldiers using “We’re Not Gonna Take It” as a battle cry. He replied, “Oh, hell yeah. You know what? Israelis, the assault on the Israelis, people are losing sight of something. People saying that, ‘Oh, the response is gonna be too intense for what happened.’ Well, you don’t get to decide on the response when you do heinous things to civilians. You don’t get to say, ‘Oh, that’s enough, that’s enough retaliation.’ No, it doesn’t work like that. When you cross that line, you’re burning people, you’re slaughtering people, you’re raping people, you’re just killing people, after what happened at that festival you don’t get to say, ‘Okay, your revenge can be this much.’ No. Payback’s a mothereffer. And I come from that school. You cross that line, you know… shit’s gonna happen. Sing it out, boys.”
Everyone’s problematic
Oh fuck. I thought I liked him. Turns out he’s a hypocrite :(
There’s a long list of people. He’s nowhere near the top. He has time to realize his mistakes, apologize, and get on board in a genuine fashion.
Here’s hoping he does realize. But somehow I haven’t seen that with anyone so far who was defending the Israeli crimes against humanity in Gaza and elsewhere. Everyone decent so far has been able to both condemn Hamas AND the genocide of the Palestinians.
Playing devils advocate for Snider, November 2023 was right after October 7th and I don’t think there were nearly as many people pointing out and shouting about the ethnic cleansing Israel was using the attack as an excuse to partake in until we got into 2024.
Indeed.
I know “Well, you don’t get to decide on the response” certainly aged like milk, but I think folks in 2023 could be forgiven to be thinking “IDF is going to strike Hamas and Hamas brought them on themselves” as the wanton collateral harm largely wasn’t on folks radar at the time. Some folks with more nuanced understandings sounded alarms and were dismissed, but having to respond to that situation mere weeks after October 7th… That’s going to be a tough scenario for most people to come out looking ok.
Only naive people and people who had no clue what they were talking about. In 2023, israel had been a settler colonialist genocidal ethnostate for half a century already
Naive is right. I knew straight up anarchists that somehow didn’t know the score RE Palestine until they started digging after 2023.
It’s almost like the situation in the ME is exceptionally nuanced and no amount of armchair discussions on social media are going to explain or resolve it.
I’m saying this as a non-Jew who married a Jew and had 3 kids with her.
The situation in Gaza is not nuanced. There’s a genocide happening there - the single worst crime possible. There’s no nuance, it’s as extreme and clear cut as it is possible to be.
Talking about it on the internet is important, because ideas can spread.
This isn’t about Jewish identity. It’s about a state committing genocide on another state.Sorry to fire back at you like this, but I really don’t know what you’re trying to achieve with your comment, and it didn’t make sense to me.
What is nuanced about shooting starving children in bread lines and bombing hospitals? Please enlighten me.
There are many, many, many Jews that feel their culture and their right to exist is under attack and the actions are justified and those walls they have built are there for good reason and exist over hundreds if not thousands of years of persecution.
This in no way makes it right and I agree with you, but we need to acknowledge the conversation comes with a history that is extremely loaded and I’d argue many of us are not in a position to fully cover the nuance.
I love the anger I get back for simply stating this.
feel their culture and their right to exist is under attack and the actions are justified
And I feel like I deserve a harem that sucks my dick every hour. That doesn’t make me nuanced, it makes me a dumbass. Pretending like the history matters at all is just a way of justifying evil actions to yourself.
Why is it impossible to discuss important things with people who act like fucking children? Maybe because they are? 🤷♂️
Anyways neither of us are solving this problem so I’m dipping out of trying to have a discussion with a dumbass. Your words not mine.
That’s fair, and I’m sympathetic to that fear and that concern, but for all the nuance of how it got to this point and why there’s still too much support, I do think that the reality as it has become has removed all nuance from the situation as it currently stands.
Israeli soldiers are engaging in genocide with all the gleeful torture and killing that is associated with the crime. They need to be stopped, leadership needs to be punished, and the everyday people need to be deradicalized.
A lot of people’s anger at the calls for nuance comes from the fact that we keep being told there’s nuance and that we need to be sympathetic to israel as they commit horrifying crimes and not only is nothing done to stop them, people in western nations are being prevented from stopping our governments and institutions’ assistance to them.
Condemning settler colonialism is pretty simple. Maybe you’re overthinking it?
Nobody cares who you married, and I’m saying this as a mischling jew.
And believe it or not I agree with you but that said it’s not so cut and dry and if you were Jewish you would understand that much.
And being clear no one cares that you’re a mischling Jew, and I’m saying this as a Canadian.
I guess it depends on what concepts you are willing to let go of. If you think Jews have some kind of holy right to land occupied by other people, yes, things are goig to be complicated because you also want to protect your ability to think of yourself as a good person, and that precludes you from supporting ethnic cleansing and genocide
If, on the other hand, you see Israel as a settler-colonial project no morally different than the Dutch in South Africa or the British in North America or the Spanish is South America or the Belgians in the Congo, it becomes a much easier ethical calculus.
There are plenty of Jews who view Israel as the latter, and the fact an identity “makes things complicated,” points to self-interested decision. Just like being white makes the concept of removing barriers to employment by black people “complicated”, or being a man might make supporting female rape victims “complicated.” The fact that a choice might not benefit a group you identify with is not an argument in favor.
And, yeah, nobody should listen to “as a mischling jew.” That’s 1/4th Jewish.
Personally speaking they should pave over the entire ME. No one is showing they have the maturity to live there so take it away from everyone.
That said, not possible lol
Plenty of Jewish people interpret the slogan and promise Never again to refer to all genocide, not just that committed against Jews. Israel has been committing human atrocities for a while now, but under the authoritarian Netanyahu administration, they’ve burned the nuance right out.
Israel has become the monster it was once afraid of, and once promised never to be.
Israel has become the monster it was once afraid of, and once promised never to be.
I am sorry to inform you that it never promised that. On the contrary, from its outset Zionism has been a colonial project fundamentally premised on the displacement, dispossession, and ultimately genocide of the Palestinian people.
The language of colonialism hadn't gone out of style yet when they started, so Zionist writing in the first half of the 20th century was much clearer about it:
[It is the] iron law of every colonizing movement, a law which knows of no exceptions, a law which existed in all times and under all circumstances. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else – or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempts to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not “difficult”, not “dangerous” but IMPOSSIBLE! … Zionism is a colonizing adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important to build, it is important to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonialization. - Ze’ev Jabotinsky
See also Jewish Colonisation Association, Palestine Jewish Colonization Association, Jewish Colonial Trust, Zionism as settler colonialism, …
Note also that from the beginning there has been strong Jewish opposition to Zionism.
I listen to a lot of Jewish comedians, does my opinion count?
Is one of them Herschel Shmoikel Pinchas Yerucham Krustofsky?
Depends how many of them are named Jerry Seinfeld, I guess 🤷🏻
Valid criticism, but how does he feel today? Because on October 7, I was pretty supportive of strong retaliation, too.
Then I saw what Israel actually did, which was far beyond a military response on military targets. It wasn’t long after they started that they lost my support. I can support the concept of justice, I can’t support genocide.
I don’t know how he feels about that today, but it is possible that his feelings in November, immediately following the attack, changed after the atrocious response. I think a lot of peoples’ did.
Yeah I agree for the most part. I can’t find anything about him retracting this comment in the aftermath though. Maybe he did.
But his implied question is deep, what amount of retaliation is the correct or maximum amount? Not just in this case, but any case.
Well, for Israel, they have a deep-seated teaching of their culture that straight up tells them what is the appropriate amount of retaliation: it’s called the Torah. All these “ultra-Orthodox” people in the Kinesset should know what their Bible says about retaliation. “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” This law actually is intended to place limits on retaliation in that one is only owed what has been taken–with many rabbis seeing it as a means for financial compensation. As I understand it, in places like Egypt (where, according to tradition, Israel’s forebears were exploited workers, basically slaves) had an unbalanced legal system that allowed for disproportionate retaliation (“you took my eye? Well now your family is dead”), especially as applied for aristocratic types. But the Torah was presented as universally applicable to every Jew.
So, leveling Gaza is disproportionate retaliation according to the very law they claim God Himself gave them.
It’s pretty obvious innit? Targeted counter terror operations. Use the considerable power and expertise available to the government to bring those responsible to justice without demolishing the whole country. Like America should’ve done (and eventually did) with bin Laden, instead of invading the countries next door for over a decade.
I mean that’s what I would do, but to answer more broadly, I think the maximum amount should definitely be constrained to what is legal.That’s the eternal question. Too much retaliation isn’t just immoral, it’s tactically foolish. You horrify your allies and incite revenge. Too little on the other hand and you don’t deter.
While I think we should have gone harder in punishment to the active members of the axis governments, I think the post WW2 rebuilding is probably best. Leaders and propagandists are targeted and punished and there’s a period of hardship, but you help them rebuild while pressing them towards a less destructive attitude towards you.
The only way to kill your way to peace is to kill everyone. Real peace requires creating an environment where enough of both sides want peace and violence isn’t worth it.
Soooo drag is based and conservative now? Is sucking dick and taking in the ass too? Its actually so fucking funny seeing conservatives explain to me that me getting pegged by my grirlfriend is actually more gay than a man fucking another man in the ass. I swear these people are so lost that its hard to imagine. Its all just thinly veiled racism and self esteem issues.
Have y’all seen the music video of this song. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI
Opposite of conservative.
I mean. All the band members are wearing makeup and big hair.
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Yeah, conservatives just want big breast plates
What the hell did they think he wasn’t gonna take anymore? Minorities? Wokeness?
Self determination of other nations.
Safe and equal America.
The IRS and the Department of Education.
Unironically, yeah. Probably.
They think “woke” is the machine they’re raging against.
Other songs about America that conservatives have grotesquely misunderstood:
“Born in the USA” Bruce Springsteen “American Woman” The Guess Who “Pink Houses” John Mellencamp “Independence Day” Martina McBride
Indepenence day wasn’t really misunderstood, right? Like, there’s not even any undertone or wordplay in that one, it’s literally just ‘momma burned down the house with daddy in it because he was an abusive asshole.’ No tongue-in-cheek, no sly wink with the emphasized word… how the fuck did that one sneak past anyone?
I can kind of see some of the others, since in true good artist fashion there’s a lot of words to the song that people wouldn’t even catch, but independence day is one of those really easy, every word is heard songs.
Would you call fortunate son ‘subtle’ in its criticism? It still strikes me as bizarre how Trump and his guys could have ever thought of using this song.
Not really subtle, but it’s different, right? With fortunate son, there’s this weirder dynamic where you have to actually string the entire thing together to gather the meaning. I would say unless you went and asked someone to repeat the lines to you after the song is over and tell you what they meant, they would never really ‘get’ what the song is saying.
I was going to reply to the uwu pawb about that, but it’s really difficult to put it into words. There’s something about a really catchy song with really good flow and rhythm and melody and composition that does sort of turn your brain off. It ‘bypasses’ the logical language part of your brain’s comprehension and just gets you grooving. If I were a bettor, I would put money on it being the same reason that people with stutters can often sing without issue: it’s the same part of the brain (Broca’s area, if you want to pull out my neuroscientist days) that issues the commands to the muscles of the mouth and tongue and such, but the area that is directing Broca’s area is different (there’s an area called Wernicke’s area that is really heavily involved in the comprehension of language; it’s on the left side of the brain, while a great deal of your musical appreciation bits are in the right side of the brain [and I’m definitely getting far out of my knowledge base here, it’s been a great while since I did brain and specific tasks]). If you just listen/sing to the music, and never pull it up out of the memory banks and into your ‘logical’ part of the brain, you’ll never really engage with the meaning of the music/song.
Anyway. I don’t know quite how to describe it, but like nicki said, if you just sing the chorus of independence day, you’d probably not get the song’s imagery, but the verses are more straightforward and easy to comprehend in mcbride’s song than in creedence’s. I’m just more surprised about it being misunderstood than fortunate son, I guess, more than I’m totally surprised.
That would require listening to more than just the chorus, which appears to be a bar too high for at least half of the population.
To be fair, yeah … it really does. And it’s not just limited to conservatives.
My girlfriend and her whole family were listening (and singing along with!) “Pumped Up Kicks” and they were still shocked when I pointed out to them that it’s a song about doing a school shooting.
There are a lot of people out there who really do just turn their brains completely off when listening to music.
(I don’t know how to do that. Which is probably why I greatly prefer music without lyrics, or music in a foreign language I don’t understand.)
“Fortunate Son” as well
“Killing in the Name Of” by Rage Against The Machine.
Conservatives be like: “I don’t understand what the problem is. Killing people in the name of Christ is one of my favorite things to do.”
Not a song, but I always loved how some conservatives thought “The Colbert Report” was an anti-progressive show.
