so now we have a fascist rapist pedophile con man in office, the genocide is worse than ever, and now we have a new genocide in the making, not to mention in the states, and i’m skeptical that “votes” will even be a thing ever again.
I am responding to brynden here, but this is for anyone, especially those who believe the most moral choice in Nov 2024 was to vote third party or not at all…
Do you pay taxes to the US government? If you do, could you explain to me how not voting for Harris absolves you of moral culpability for genocide, but giving thousands of dollars every year to the Feds (who have always been controlled by a major party), who will use that money to directly fund genocide, doesn’t make you even more culpable than that single vote for Harris?
Voting for someone who says “I will arm a genocide” means you’ve voluntarily helped that person to do that.
I don’t think paying taxes under duress to a government that arms a genocide is comparable.
Do I understand you as saying “you could go to jail rather than pay taxes, therefore you’re a hypocrite for not voting for someone who says ‘I will arm a genocide’?”
because they would have been better off under trump? how’s that going btw?
how about the iranians? how about immigrants? how about education? healthcare? environment? economy?
dude, the “i won’t vote for genocide” thing is noble, but you’re ignoring the real world in favor of your idealistic delusion of a country where we can just throw our vote away and think that will change something.
can i tell you a secret: the united states of america will NEVER stop fellating israel. no matter who is president. did you think jill stein (or who the fuck ever) would snap their fingers and all of a sudden put a leash on israel? honest question
I mean…i’m sure you agree with this: if the democrats want to win, they should not be making choices that cost them votes. Their post-mortem on 2024 tells them that continuing their pro-genocide position cost them votes (according to axios anyway, who I guess got a peek at it somehow. the democrats have decided they are not going to publish it.).
That’s real pressure for them to change. Not voting for the democrats created that pressure. They now know that abandoning israel will lead to a net-increase in their votes.
And yeah, I would hope that when looking down the barrel of more domestic fascism, knowing that it will matter from a purely Machiavellian perspective, the democrats will stop arming a genocide.
Like…I get how scared everyone is. I have family members who are undocumented immigrants in the US. It is terrifying. My neice might get shipped off to some el-salvadorian torture prison. Life would have been better for them if Harris had won. But I don’t regret refusing to vote for Harris because (a) I reject the claim that I have some ethical culpability for what the the fascists do (that’s just some ontological fuckery that I can’t straighten out in my mind, even with the benefit of a philosophy undergrad and years more of school and work figuring out all kinds of tax-law fuckery), and (b) people taking this position has created measurable pressure on the democrats to change. I guess there’s also the sneaky (c) my vote would not have counted anyway because I’m not from a swing state.
you’ve done a lot of work to justify your wrong position of doing nothing to keep the rapist pedophile fascist con man moron out of office.
bravo.
i’m sure you’re very proud of yourself. but you haven’t defended your position in the slightest, despite your “i’m an undergrad in philosophy” (fucking seriously, dude?) “authority” on the subject of how a populace should avoid authoritarianism, which is a key objective in a democracy.
don’t worry bro–i give it 50/50 whether the votes will even matter in november, and if we come out on the bottom, then the chances will be 00/100. but that’s just me. maybe the country will wake up and realize that in order to change things for the better, the only thing we can do is flush our votes down the toilet.
for fucks fucking sake. i’m glad you’re happy with yourself
You have done a lot of work to justify your voting to continue arming the genocide of Palestinians. And hey, if you find that convincing, have at it.
And you’re jumping through some real conceptual hoops to blame me for what Donald trump does lol I didn’t vote for him. You did vote for Harris.
Like I said, I’m a lawyer. I’m used to weird mental gymnastics. I only mention my bachelors in case your mental gymnastics require a doctorate in philosophy to understand or what? Like…walk me through how you get to my moral culpability for the actions of Donald trump, as someone who didn’t vote for him. Explain that to an idiot like me.
It’s horrifying. I didn’t support it, and our lack of support is making one party rethink their support for it. Your acquiescence to it did fuck all for Palestinians.
so now we have a fascist rapist pedophile con man in office, the genocide is worse than ever, and now we have a new genocide in the making, not to mention in the states, and i’m skeptical that “votes” will even be a thing ever again.
congrats on your moral superiority
And all the democrats had to do to avoid it was not arm a genocide? Which they shouldn’t have done anyway? Failing to see how this is my fault.
Sorry if we got in the way of your plan to throw palestinians in the woodchipper and go back to brunch. Congrats on your moral inferiority?
Yeah the better version of this meme has the text, “Well at least she didn’t say anything antisemitic.”
Wow you really showed them.
I mean…actually though; their postmortem says they lost net votes due to arming the genocide.
But I’ve been told that it wasn’t enough to change the outcome? Which is it?
There’s that brunch thing again. I guess eating at 11am is horrifyingly bourgeoise, but that seems kind of dumb.
Brunch is lovely.
But I’m using brunch as a metaphor for “living a comfortable life and not worrying about the suffering inflicted with your tax dollars.”
I am responding to brynden here, but this is for anyone, especially those who believe the most moral choice in Nov 2024 was to vote third party or not at all…
Do you pay taxes to the US government? If you do, could you explain to me how not voting for Harris absolves you of moral culpability for genocide, but giving thousands of dollars every year to the Feds (who have always been controlled by a major party), who will use that money to directly fund genocide, doesn’t make you even more culpable than that single vote for Harris?
Do you all live off the grid on a barter system?
Because you don’t pay taxes voluntarily? You pay taxes under duress. If you don’t they put you in prison.
So, your ethical/moral framework is optional. Only comes into play if there are no consequences or fallout from you doing the right thing. Got it.
Voting for someone who says “I will arm a genocide” means you’ve voluntarily helped that person to do that.
I don’t think paying taxes under duress to a government that arms a genocide is comparable.
Do I understand you as saying “you could go to jail rather than pay taxes, therefore you’re a hypocrite for not voting for someone who says ‘I will arm a genocide’?”
because they would have been better off under trump? how’s that going btw?
how about the iranians? how about immigrants? how about education? healthcare? environment? economy?
dude, the “i won’t vote for genocide” thing is noble, but you’re ignoring the real world in favor of your idealistic delusion of a country where we can just throw our vote away and think that will change something.
can i tell you a secret: the united states of america will NEVER stop fellating israel. no matter who is president. did you think jill stein (or who the fuck ever) would snap their fingers and all of a sudden put a leash on israel? honest question
I mean…i’m sure you agree with this: if the democrats want to win, they should not be making choices that cost them votes. Their post-mortem on 2024 tells them that continuing their pro-genocide position cost them votes (according to axios anyway, who I guess got a peek at it somehow. the democrats have decided they are not going to publish it.).
That’s real pressure for them to change. Not voting for the democrats created that pressure. They now know that abandoning israel will lead to a net-increase in their votes.
And yeah, I would hope that when looking down the barrel of more domestic fascism, knowing that it will matter from a purely Machiavellian perspective, the democrats will stop arming a genocide.
Like…I get how scared everyone is. I have family members who are undocumented immigrants in the US. It is terrifying. My neice might get shipped off to some el-salvadorian torture prison. Life would have been better for them if Harris had won. But I don’t regret refusing to vote for Harris because (a) I reject the claim that I have some ethical culpability for what the the fascists do (that’s just some ontological fuckery that I can’t straighten out in my mind, even with the benefit of a philosophy undergrad and years more of school and work figuring out all kinds of tax-law fuckery), and (b) people taking this position has created measurable pressure on the democrats to change. I guess there’s also the sneaky (c) my vote would not have counted anyway because I’m not from a swing state.
you’ve done a lot of work to justify your wrong position of doing nothing to keep the rapist pedophile fascist con man moron out of office.
bravo.
i’m sure you’re very proud of yourself. but you haven’t defended your position in the slightest, despite your “i’m an undergrad in philosophy” (fucking seriously, dude?) “authority” on the subject of how a populace should avoid authoritarianism, which is a key objective in a democracy.
don’t worry bro–i give it 50/50 whether the votes will even matter in november, and if we come out on the bottom, then the chances will be 00/100. but that’s just me. maybe the country will wake up and realize that in order to change things for the better, the only thing we can do is flush our votes down the toilet.
for fucks fucking sake. i’m glad you’re happy with yourself
You have done a lot of work to justify your voting to continue arming the genocide of Palestinians. And hey, if you find that convincing, have at it.
And you’re jumping through some real conceptual hoops to blame me for what Donald trump does lol I didn’t vote for him. You did vote for Harris.
Like I said, I’m a lawyer. I’m used to weird mental gymnastics. I only mention my bachelors in case your mental gymnastics require a doctorate in philosophy to understand or what? Like…walk me through how you get to my moral culpability for the actions of Donald trump, as someone who didn’t vote for him. Explain that to an idiot like me.
how’s that genocide thing going? is that fixed now, or…
It’s horrifying. I didn’t support it, and our lack of support is making one party rethink their support for it. Your acquiescence to it did fuck all for Palestinians.
who is the not-kamala candidate everyone should have voted for?
that’s what i thought.