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So, it is that easy. Crazy.
Always was
better watch out for uncle sam
But what if they abuse it by being like…sick?
This is going to be terrible for the shareholders and the health insurance companies!
You joke, but people overusing the free Healthcare is a problem.
I have a few friends/family working on both social security and state hospitals (the free healthcare mentioned in the article). There are a lot of users who are not sick and still go religiously to get appointments or try to hoard medicine. It’s not a huge issue in the big picture but they do end up taking the limited time and resources from people who actually need it at the time.
The staff at the hospital knows them but they get the same attention as everyone, in case it is actually real this time.
I don’t see how that’s an argument for not doing this.
It’s not, at all. Like I said, not really an issue. It’s mostly that your joke reminded me of the situation than anything else
Oh just like Israel?
…huh?
Ah, so that’s why the US is getting more aggressive towards Mexico. Can’t have universal healthcare so close to the border.
Have you heard of Canada
Can Ada what?
On both sides, lol.
Americans are already going there for cheaper health care. My dentist recommended some expensive work, and when I told him it cost too much, HE suggested I go to Mexico, and get it done for a third the cost.
And Mexico makes that easy in a lot of border areas. You can throw rocks between dental offices and pharmacies in Palomas. Walk across the border and not even show ID, until you to come back.
Now they are going to need a wall to keep american’s out.
It’s suspicious that mainstream media never reports this.
Must be fuckin’ nice 🫠
To be fair I thought they already had this.
Fuck. I really should have taken Spanish seriously back in High School after all
You can always come to Mexico to learn. Just try to avoid highly gentrified areas and you’ll be fine. We are always happy to assist foreign people.
It isn’t too late to finish learning Spanish :)
Just don’t go for Duolingo
Can we have health care, if Mexico pays for it?
Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.
How is it a shallow gesture when people can now get the care, instead of just dying or suffering?
Well their original comment alluded to people not being able to get care because there aren’t enough medicines, doctors, or hospitals.
I hope they answer you, because I know nothing about what’s going on there, but I’m fairly certain that was their point.
Because healthcare has been free in Mexico for decades. This seems like the usual political posturing. Saying “healthcare is free” is an empty statement if people are turned away at the point of service because of a lack of medicine or service providers. Give them three months and then check again. Then you’ll know if it was a shallow gesture or not.
But a cursory google search shows that it isn’t currently free for everyone, and in particular tied to your employment status. This means that in your negotiations with your employer, your health is essentially a bargaining chip (and this is bad for you and your salary for obvious reasons). The new system abolishes this tie to employment. This is a huge step for workers and the unemployed alike. This is not a hollow gesture.
It’s not a bargain chip, every employer is required to subscribe their workers and pay the fees
And if you’re unemployed?
It is not part of your negotiations with your employer. You get health insurance through IMSS (social security) by law. It is not optional and the service is not tied to your salary. You can make millions, or minimum wage, your IMSS coverage would be the same.
We’ve had another coverage called “seguro popular”, this has been free and not tied to employment since early 2000s. It was revamped and gutted by the previous president. The only requirement to get coverage was to not have coverage by IMSS. So, employed, you get IMSS. Unemployed, you got seguro popular.
So it is an empty gesture
It is linked to employment but equal and mandatory for all employees, so not quite a bargaining chip in the way it is in the usa
If you lose your job, you lose your coverage. That makes it a bargaining chip. The employer has one up on you in negotiations. When I negotiate my salary (my health insurance is not tied to my employment), I know that if I can’t work it out with my (potential) employer, and I get sick, I’ll be fine. Not so if my coverage was tied to employment. The pressure to accept an offer that’s worse for me would be much higher.
Got it
Was it free for everyone? Or just select people?
How are things generally?
Free with crazy wait times is still surely better than expensive with crazy wait times?
Paying for some supply through progressive taxes is better than everyone paying a flat rate, even if that supply is scarce.
No country has enough medicine, doctors, or hospitals.
Mexico has around 25 Doctors per 100000 capita. That is lower than almost all European countries that averaged 40 Doctors per 100000 capita.
When it comes to nurses, the comparison is worse. 29/100000capita in Mexico and over 100/100000capita in Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium and the Netherlands. With no EU nation falling below 40/100000capita.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/doctors-per-capita-by-country
One probably needs to look at the demography as well. Half of Germany’s healthcare workforce is probably busy explaining retirees not to drink beer to swallow up their pills at any given time
That is valuable context for sure, but the data doesn’t illustrate wait times.
I’m from Canada which appears to have a similar ratio to Mexico (I don’t consider our basic healthcare a “shallow gesture”)
Wait times are long here, but twice as many doctors & hospitals would make the wait times only half as long, which would still be counted in years in some cases. So I don’t believe that any country has “enough” or enough to make the wait times negligible, which is probably an unrealistic goal.
it’s a shallow gesture here because wait times are longer than reported, if you are lucky enough attended in time, and even then you will probably have to pay for every medicine and if you need surgery you will have to pay for any materials used too
hope that clears the sentiment we have in Mexico regarding our public healthcare
No you don’t. You have three times as many nurses per 10k and more than 10% as many doctors per 10k.
I didn’t find the nurses figures on the link. Within 10% is similar for doctors, but 300% of the nurses is a big difference for sure.
America does. They just suffer from capitalism.
We pay out the ass and still have to schedule a surgery 4 months out or just argue with insurance denials for cancer treatment until we die first. Show up to an ER with something that won’t immediately kill you and be prepared to wait for 5 hours so a doctor can see you for literally 5 minutes. Nursing homes will bill you $4,000 a month to share a room while you wait to dies, with staff going down to like 2 people for 60 people after 7pm.
The only ones there’s enough doctors for are the wealthy. Everywhere else your screwed, and also get billed into permanent debt. It’s like $15,000 just to have a baby. Heart attack will run you six figures .
No we just don’t get medical care if there’s any way to avoid it. If it was free we’d have a doctor shortage instantly.
We already have a doctor shortage in a lot of places in the US, even without single payer healthcare :/
Part of it is due to private equity destroying private practice and buying up healthcare providers
Why isn’t it free?
You’re being deliberately obtuse. You smarmily answered your own question in your previous drivel comment.
Why do you think it’s not free? I’ve got my answer, it’s capitalism. Why isn’t it free according to you?
Sounds like everywhere with actual free healthcare tbh. Here in Malaysia the healthcare has been free for decade, but doctor shortage, wad shortage is the common theme plaguing the sector, so the wait time for non-emergency treatment tend to be long. If you want quick service you can visit private healthcare.
This doesn’t seems like a shallow gesture, this could actually pave the way for the future when the issue is under control.
The issue won’t be under control anytime soon if ever, public healthcare has just been declining for the past two decades in Mexico and this won’t fix anything in practice, just in paper
But now you can say your healthcare system is as good as the one in the UK, which is nice. It’s not like the US can say that.
It’s a step. Vs. medicines too expensive to buy, and doctors that you can’t see for months who run you through the mill to get their numbers up. I can’t say which is worse when the result is about the same. At least you have more of a chance now.
Kaiser was excellent when they only provided service to kiaser members. When the government stepped in, the whole system went to shit. They still have the same amount of doctors so the only thing that happened in now everyone gets shitty service and long wait times.
Sometimes the government getting involved isn’t a good thing.
Congratulations Mexico! It’s nice to read a positive article for once. Happy for everyone this allows a pathway to getting the healthcare treatment they deserve.
If you seriously don’t think Mexico has healthcare you need to take a step back and check your biases.
does having healthcare means having the right to access or actually receiving healthcare?
before you ask, I live in Mexico, so please enlighten me in how accessible is free healthcare in Mexico
I’m not certain what your question means. Are you saying that you personally have “free healthcare” but don’t have the right to use said healthcare? Because this reads like you are barred from healthcare for some reason.
Or are you saying that there are literally no healthcare providers in the country, or even within a “reasonable” distance, where reasonable can be up to an hour drive?
Edit: To be clear, I don’t think an hour drive is reasonable. But it’s a common thing in the US and Canada which most would agree “have healthcare.”
lol I’m not barred from healthcare, that is not the issue
the question is, what is healthcare to you? we don’t have enough doctors, no medicines, no supplies, no beds, our hospitals are barely functional thanks to lack of maintenance.
instead of giving more funds to our public healthcare they are stretching it even more, they won’t even make new clinics, they are repurposing other clinics for specialized healthcare to make room for this policy
cool now we have universal access to a declining healthcare system where nobody wants to go because it is less stressful to just suck it up and medicate yourself (you would be paying for the meds anyway) instead of spending a whole day waiting inside a clinic on the summer heat with no AC
and that’s if you are lucky enough to be in an urban area, rural clinics are in even worse conditions and anything other than a flu would require you to go to a city (as you said, an hour drive minimum but way more depending on the area)
one joke.
You’re a dick
Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in.
I was literally just thinking retiring to Mexico doesn’t sound terrible in the future.
Climate change is not boding well for Mexico unfortunately. You can expect severe water shortages in the coming decades.
Yeah, that’s true.
But in Mexico the remaining water is less likely to be hoarded by billionaires, so you might still have better access to water after all.
Can we make communities that are underground? Like fallout or silo
Humans don’t do very well without exposure to sunlight.
Take your daily vitamin D pill!
You can manufacture fish-eye glass domes that sit on the surface and lead to mirror-walled tubes that parascopically carry the sunlight to the deeper into the catacombs and distribute it to each chamber.
The outlets could basically just be slightly convex glass discs to fill the whole space with light, with simple aperture adjustments to control the amount of light in the room.
Fucking colonizers, man.
if you want the lifestyle. areas with many expats have higher prices. lake chapala area is one. speak spanish
“Expats” code word for fortune seeking migrant
“I told you Mexico would pay for it!”
This has been happening for several decades. My grandmother used to take regular trips across the border from Corpus Cristi to get her meds at pennies on the dollar.
Hopefully they’ll just use steel slats!
Impenetrable!
They already are. They work remote jobs in the US and call themselves Digital Nomads 🙄
