What a crock of shit

  • WatDabney@sopuli.xyz
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    24 days ago

    And with that, it’s complete. The United States is not dying - it’s dead. The government is under the control of open fascists, the rule of law is a thing of the past, democracy is dead and the Constitution has been wadded up and thrown away.

    They’ll be bulldozing corpses into mass graves before long.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      24 days ago

      The United States is not dying - it’s dead.

      A country that has been doing this since it’s inception is not dead because it continues to do this thing.

      Wish it would die, but the Fascist States of Amerikkka grind on atop the bones of the honest, innocent, and good.

    • Eldritch@piefed.world
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      24 days ago

      My ancestors/people would take issue with that. They’ve been found in mass graves in the US and Canada for decades upon decades. Camps and mass graves are always the ultimate resort of the state. Every continent, every era. Generally the average person is safe enough to not have to worry about finding themselves in one. Surely the state would never turn on them to serve itself. Surely.

  • taiyang@lemmy.world
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    24 days ago

    Reading the article, the guy who shot an officer with an AK probably should get time while the people who were just setting off fireworks and slashing tires, probably a misdemeanor, all things equal. (It being a government vehicle might count it as a felony, though IANAL).

    The part that should disturb people isn’t their arrest, but the upcharge to terrorism, which frankly has been a potential problem we’ve had since Bush era politics but only now getting utilized in this way. That changes due process, and if they continue to push for those types of charges, that’s a problem and patriot act era laws absolutely need to get reversed if we’re to ever really be safe.

    That said, just to clarify those who only read the headline: this isn’t the administration just targeting political opponents and calling them antifa to get them arrested. They got arrested for crimes like vandalism and assault and the antifa terrorism crap was tagged on. You’re still mostly safe to participate in peaceful protests, so continue putting on pressure.

    • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      24 days ago

      I don’t know if they mentioned it in this article but the guy shot an officer after they pointed their gun at a protester. After the other murders by ICE it could definitely be argued it was defensive, and that they had weapons, which is a constitutional right (especially in Texas), to defend against potential far-right attackers.

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        24 days ago

        Honestly it all sounds like they just need some better lawyers and a non trump judge. And they have a right to request a trial by jury

    • borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      24 days ago

      His sentencing should be in line with the same amount of time that the people who murdered Renee Good and Alex Peretti got.

      • taiyang@lemmy.world
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        24 days ago

        I know you’re making the point that ICE murderers should be tried and convicted, but real talk, the Jan 6 convictions (mentioned in the article) are more in line with what a violent conviction would look like).

        They, of course, got pardoned… but naturally if the system worked as intended, pardons wouldn’t exist or be needed and sentencing wouldn’t be politically motivated. Ironically at this point the only possibility for justice for these 9 are pardons, though…

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        24 days ago

        You’re referring to this part?

        “Prosecutors in the case charged and secured conviction of eight of the nine defendants for providing material support for terrorists. The ninth defendant, Daniel Sanchez-Estrada was not at the protest, but was convicted of corruptly concealing a document or record after prosecutors said he moved leftwing zines and other materials at the request of Rueda, his wife, after she was arrested. Sanchez-Estrada was sentenced to 30 years in prison on Tuesday.”

        I don’t know the details but it sounds like a concealment charge, which again isn’t much of a thing unless you’re falsely charged with terrorism. It’s not so much the zines as the association-- but 30 years is again, obviously bullshit.

        I can’t look into specifics now, but is that one able to appeal? I recall it’s the odd case of the 9.

    • kava@lemmy.world
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      23 days ago

      Yeah at least some of these guys definitely deserve long prison sentences. Protests should not result in officers getting shot.

      You can’t really blame the state for harshly cracking down on these types of activities. Look what happened with Waco. It’s not new.

      Obviously different scales and some people got hit with obviously inflated sentences (guy got 30 years and didnt even go to protest). Definitely politically motivated

      But just a message to the young people. You will probably not change the world in prison. The surveillance state is omniscient and heavy handed.

  • SendMePhotos@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    I’m all for protests but you can’t shoot at an officer and vandalize things. That’s no longer a protest.

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    23 days ago

    Benjamin Song, who fired the gun at the police officer, was sentenced to 100 years in prison.

    Good riddance. I imagine rest was captured before they managed to murder any people

  • nonentity@sh.itjust.works
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    24 days ago

    Authoritarianism is an admission of abject weakness.

    A healthy, broadly educated population, which feels safe and secure, is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.

    They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.

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    24 days ago

    Good news! The President only just recently set aside $1.8b worth of taxpayer dollars just for the defense of people who were unfairly prosecuted by the governm-- oh, shit… The fine print here says here that money’s only available if you’re THE perfectly Instagramable PR show-dog for the current administration and their anti-democratic, fascist shit-show.

    Well, you know, when tyranny becomes law…

  • workerONE@lemmy.world
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    24 days ago

    These people really fucked up. It’s one thing to go and protest, to stand in the way of unjust cruelty. Vandalizing and destruction of government property is not good but it’s forgivable. Do a few months in jail and go back to your life.

    Where they fucked up is that one of their group is hiding in the woods with a rifle, and he shoots someone. They must have known this guy was going into the woods with the rifle… If they didn’t know then I feel sorry for them but if they knew then they really fucked up.

    I’m just saying, if you don’t want to go to prison for a long time then don’t do crimes with an armed guy you met online.

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      24 days ago

      You can read the shooter’s statement here. He was a former Marine instructor wearing high vis there to protect the protesters. The officer he shot was about to shoot a fleeing protester. He probably saved their life.

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        24 days ago

        That’s really interesting. I read it couple of times. I can see that a person that presents like this wouldn’t raise an alarm as someone who can’t be trusted. It’s also interesting that he says he was standing in the street in plain view with reflective safety stripes, while the guardian article says he was firing from the woods.

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          24 days ago

          Its interesting that you think it matters when the either guy is a magat

          Hint: we would be justified to do a fascism to them the first opportunity we get

        • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          24 days ago

          News usually repeats what the police says, that is what the police stated in court. I could cite at least 100 cases where police have lied in these types of situations. I haven’t seen any actual evidence of where he shot from so I’m not sure.

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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      24 days ago

      How about the guy who got 30 years for distributing pamphlets and wasn’t even there? Got a justification for that one?

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      24 days ago

      Yeah, good thing that Jared released that bitch that tried to steal an election. Same thing for the orange asshole releasing all the terrorists that attacked the Capitol.

  • BigMacHole@thelemmy.club
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    24 days ago

    Good! The LAST thing we Want is to Set the Precedent that Using your First Amendment Right gives you LESS Jail Time then MURDER!

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    24 days ago

    Huh, the article doesn’t mention how many years the officer who almost shot the unarmed protestors got…