• ramble81@lemmy.zip
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        12 days ago

        No, it’s about sending a message that immoral conscription has consequences. If it means sacrificing your own life to send that message, so be it.

        • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
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          12 days ago

          “I became a terrorist and murdered an innocent person because I didn’t agree with someone else’s decision.”

          The draft will never occur in the U.S. because we already have way to many people in the military. They don’t need to have a draft.

          Now if we made education and healthcare accessible to everyone like we should, we might not have as many people volunteering to go.

          Our military would grow to like 10x the current size if we had forced conscription like Israel or Korea.

          We couldn’t afford it.

          • Triasha@lemmy.world
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            11 days ago

            We have an effective volunteer military, for now.

            When civil unrest reaches critical mass the elites stop thinking about the military as a tool to force other countries to do what they want and start thinking about it as a tool to force the rabble to stay in line. This is the primary purpose of most militaries in the world.

            The failure of the war in Iran brings us closer to that point.

          • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            11 days ago

            Remember when everyone said Trump couldn’t win the election*? And since when has not having the money for war stopped the US from going to war? They just borrow against their kids.

            Although I will point out that Trump and Elon bragged about rigging the election, that’s besides the point.

              • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                11 days ago

                If you think “it can’t happen here”, with regards to a draft, you’re an idiot who has their head in the sand. Too many “it can’t happen here” things have been happening.

                • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
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                  11 days ago

                  It would bankrupt the country to add people we don’t need… It would be like a sports team paying to have 10x the players and not be able to put any of them on the field.

                  Creating a draft would drive voters to increase the pay and benefits of soldiers as well.

                  So yes it could happen. But it is a near 0% chance of happening.

            • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
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              11 days ago

              The number of “frags” near “U.S. commanders” is near 0. People like Pete Hegseth are stupid, but even they aren’t stupid enough to choose to go into an active warzone

      • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
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        11 days ago

        Might wanna look up the origin of fragging, why it was A Thing and how the circumstances not only destroyed the draft, but the US presence in vietnam

      • Rhaedas@fedia.io
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        12 days ago

        Klinger’s problem was slow reaction. Had he acted before they initially saw him, maybe. My dad was drafted in Vietnam and always told me to go right up and deep kiss the guy taking names. Although I don’t think that would work as well now.

        • imadethis@fedinsfw.appEnglish
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          12 days ago

          It would work, but only to keep you from getting drafted. You’d probably be in some sort of military brig for a good long while.

          Much more effective* is to shoot the bastards. We all know how much americans talk about doing it…

          *I’m not going to lie here, it’s not more effective for you, just for everyone else after a few more follow your example. You’d be consigning yourself to death.

  • PacMan@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    11 days ago

    You could get a waver to join at that age. I do think the US Military is a great option for people but it can be hard on a family though. It’s one of the reasons most of my friends did not renew. At 42 your probably have kids and probably have your life mostly fleshed out. The military was great for a lot of my friends and the benefits are good.

    This admin I don’t trust why they are moving the goal post

    • kibblebits@quokk.auEnglish
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      12 days ago

      They increased the max to 42

      https://www.goarmy.com/how-to-join/requirements

      This is not a draft. Which is like 18-26ish typically.

      BUT, that doesn’t mean the draft is fixed at those ages. BUT, I doubt they would ever need to draft up to 42 based on the US population and the willingness of psychos to want to a) kill people or b) get paid to kill people via promises of a better life later as a veteran (Baby killer)

      • BigPotato@lemmy.world
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        12 days ago

        I doubt they would ever need to draft up to 42 based on the US population and the willingness of psychos to want to a) kill people or b) get paid to kill people via promises of a better life later as a veteran (Baby killer)

        They need a draft once all those Action Hero wannabes get swatted down by Iranian drones and the Canadian troops start rolling in to annex the southern province.

        Who knew Fallout would be right about the annexation but wrong about which way it went?

        • kibblebits@quokk.auEnglish
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          12 days ago

          Haha annex. Love it.

          There’s a good line from the TV show, I don’t think it was used in the games. It’s in reference to a character that has to travel from Canada to the USA, and someone tells them:

          “don’t think of them as humans, think of them as Americans”

      • Rhaedas@fedia.io
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        12 days ago

        There’s the ones who like to shoot things, but don’t forget the c) it’s either join the military for pay or live in poverty or worse.

        • kibblebits@quokk.auEnglish
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          12 days ago

          Tagging you as “killing is cool” for trying to justify joining the military and killing people to have a good life for yourself as somehow acceptable in any situation.

          With as much civility as a person like you deserves: please exit the planet at your earliest convenience.

          • Rhaedas@fedia.io
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            12 days ago

            Not sure where that came from, but tag me however you want. Might want to reread what I wrote that was agreeing with you and adding more ways people get funneled into service? Nothing I said was a promotion for joining anything. Also appreciate the subtle violence in the wish for me… wow.

            • kibblebits@quokk.auEnglish
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              12 days ago

              I don’t need to re-read you saying it’s okay to join the baby killers so you can eat. Kill the baby killers, not the babies. Trash.

                • kibblebits@quokk.auEnglish
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                  12 days ago

                  I’m not trolling you. I’m commenting on your exact words. You’re the trash here, you think it’s ok to join the military and kill people in the name of your country or God or whatever if your own fucking country can’t feed you.

                  The fact that you’re not super embarrassed and deleting your comment at this point says a whole lot about you and society

                • kibblebits@quokk.auEnglish
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                  12 days ago

                  Enjoy your retirement, American. I mean… working until you die because you have no safety net and your country is dying. 😂 byyyeeeeeeee

          • athatet@lemmy.zip
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            12 days ago

            Chill the fuck. That isn’t what they said at all. They said it’s the reason some people do it.

            • kibblebits@quokk.auEnglish
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              12 days ago

              Do you think it’s okay to join the military and kill people for a government who won’t feed its people, just so you can eat?

              It’s a yes or a no.

                • kibblebits@quokk.auEnglish
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                  12 days ago

                  Do you think I should stop criticizing the government and the people who kill in their name just because it inconveniences someone online?

                  Yes or no.

    • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
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      12 days ago

      Most of war is getting things fixed or moving to the front line fighting. For every battalion fighting there is another fixing cars, doing laundry, cooking, or getting the paperwork in order for all of those. Doctors are just as important to an army as soldiers. None of those jobs is too much for a 35 year old getting 4 years of service in.

      Ageist nonsense.

      • chocrates@piefed.worldEnglish
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        12 days ago

        Yeah, they will forcibly recruit anyone they want if their hold on power is seriously threatened

      • Gordon Calhoun@lemmy.world
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        12 days ago

        Yeah, it should be, but 18-24 y/o’s are much easier to indoctrinate and radicalize, as well as far more reckless in their tolerance for risky activities.

      • JasonDJ@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        12 days ago

        Nah we need the military as an option for poor 18yos with no job or education prospects after highschool. Which, despite the declining birthright, is still somehow a growing demographic.

  • fucmm@lemmy.zip
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    11 days ago

    Donald Trump and his war and all his followers can literally go fuck right on off with that bullshit. You can send all the republicans who voted for this shit including the republican senators. If 42 is cool, why not even older. Shit, they’ve lived their lives. Take one for the team guys

  • khepri@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    Holy shit you guys I can still join the Army and be out with full bennys by the young old age of 61! jfk

  • cloudshouter@lemmy.zip
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    12 days ago

    People don’t want to fight pedos war in Petey’s army so they expanded to recruit pool.

    Training will have to be different. I am already to fed up with crap to have a drill instructor yell at me. They can give instructions and support, but I’m not getting “instilled” with anything. Or maybe not. We see MAGA incel man cult guys paying thousands to get tormented at knock off BUDs training camps.

  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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    12 days ago

    Man, I did some light manual labor yesterday and I can barely stand today. I can’t go to fucking war without severely endangering every friendly around me.

    So no, 45 is not the new thirty fucking anything.