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    • mursejoy@lemmy.zip
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      19 days ago

      The US military industrial complex is a prison. People sign up for it for social service benefits that first world countries get given to them as a human right.

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        19 days ago

        I was gonna say, if your other options are poverty / prison, this isn’t actually a bad deal practically speaking. Not gonna get into the ethics of military service other than to say blaming individuals for trying to escape poverty isn’t the answer. When I teach about chronic institutionalization in a psychiatric context, the military is one of the susceptible demographics alongside prison and long term hospitalization.

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      20 days ago

      Ah, so the US is one of them “shithole” countries the pedophile likes to make fun of, huh?

      Every accusation is a confession with them.

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    20 days ago

    Probably fake or misleading. There aren’t enough calories pictured in these images.

    • Arthur Besse@lemmy.ml
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      20 days ago

      Probably fake or misleading

      fwiw the first and last images in this post both were first published in this USA today article back in April, attributed to anonymous crew members of the USS Tripoli and USS Abraham Lincoln.

      There aren’t enough calories pictured in these images

      The Simpsons character Rainier Wolfcastle on stage with a microphone, on TV, with the caption "THAT'S THE JOKE"

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        20 days ago

        Accepting such posts does mean becoming even more vulnerable to misinformation and propaganda hence I don’t.

    • ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com
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      20 days ago

      Idk… I feel like that kind of incompetence is almost unimaginable with an unprecedentedly well-funded organization known the world over for its logistical capabilities… But the people saying it’s fake happen to be the biggest liary lying liars there ever were, so im a bit divided.

    • warbond@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      I think maybe a little misleading, but probably not fake. For the boxed meal, that shit happened all the time. It’s just like going through the drive through.

      For meals served on ships, most of the time you ask for what you want, they don’t just give you what they have. If you have a piece of bread on your tray, that’s because you only grabbed a piece of bread. Most of the time.

      Sometimes there’s just not a lot of options because you haven’t been replenished in a while and the cooks have already done what they can to keep people from bitching at them constantly. Fresh fruits and vegetables are always the first to spoil, so eventually everything is canned, frozen, rehydrated, or reconstituted. Or baked from scratch, poorly.

    • Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de
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      20 days ago

      My biggest complaint about the pics is the trays are different. The military probably has a standard tray that they buy, and likely wouldn’t use a compostable lidded container as shown in pic one.

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        20 days ago

        I can’t speak for the modern military, but when I was in almost 30 years ago there were not standard trays. The chow halls were different from base to base.

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          20 days ago

          Can you give any sources? Personal experience from an anonymous account on a niche website isn’t to be taken as truth :(

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            20 days ago

            Sorry, I didn’t take pictures of the trays 30 years ago. I really don’t care if you believe it or not. Just making a comment.

      • ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world
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        20 days ago

        I mean, 2 of the 3 pictures that show trays show the same trays. The rest are all takeout containers, which are the kind of consumable that makes sense to be just whatever Supply can requisition. And I’m more likely to believe different tray styles per class, I.e. submarines might have a more efficient (and therefore costlier) design for more cramped quarters that a carrier doesn’t necessarily need.

    • mkwt@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      I’ve seen these pictures attributed to USS Abraham Lincoln on some other sites.

      That ship recently suffered a major supply crisis while it was on station in the middle east. The reason is that Iran was able to deny the use of all of the nearby bases with their drones and medium range missiles. Thus the US Navy resorted to resupplying Abraham Lincoln from Diego Garcia, which is thousands of miles away.

      So it’s plausible to me that these are real images, and they represent a very serious problem for the navy: both in terms of total calories and in the loss of morale from low quality.

      In any case, Abraham Lincoln has since been relieved, and will make a liberty port call in Thailand after 245 days at sea.

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        But they were without supply for half a year, sending a ship from the US takes a couple of weeks. This is just bad leadership.

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      20 days ago

      Caloric intake is one of the complaints of people on the ship…the tortilla one is for sure real, that’s from when the stories first started coming out.

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      20 days ago

      Please note, these meals are recreations, and recreations only, based on the portions described by the food companies and corrections officials accused of skimping.

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      19 days ago

      And this is what they proudly claim to be serving, the actual portions are smaller and the food is worse. This is the equivalent of the photos mcdonalds takes for their menu.

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    20 days ago

    Apart from being rather sparse helpings, are you sure there are actually cooks on the galley? Because any halfway decent cook can still produce decent meals even from substandard produce.

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      20 days ago

      No. There are culinary specialists that think instead of going down to storerooms to get another thing of tomato sauce for spaghetti, they can just cut what is left with ketchup as it needs replenishing. They are buddy fuckers and some of the laziest, most corrupt(?)(eg, you had to know someone, or be a woman, to get good food that wasn’t on the serving line) people I met in the service.

      • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip
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        20 days ago

        Honestly, the pics I’ve seen of USA school food were worse. Which kinda tracks; I’m sure they value soldiers higher than children.

        edit: definitely worse. Above I see full grain rice and a variety of protein sources, if industrially produced. Salad is missing of course but that would be too much to ask Ig

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          20 days ago

          School food in the US is highly variable. Each individual school district sets food contracts, and there are over 13,000 districts. That said, many of them have very bad food, especially any district contracting with Sodexo is going to have awful food. But a lot of us make lunch for our kids to bring every day either way

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            20 days ago

            My boys have packed for probably 2-4/5 days forever. They ALWAYS buy on Friday as apparently get a treat - ice cream bars, etc. And, cannot just buy the treat… Mostly they take leftovers. Occasionally (maybe once a week or so?) sandwiches - PBJ, or whatever delimeat we have.

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          20 days ago

          Speak for your terrible school district. Mine growing up, and my kid’s today, had magnitudes better food than this slop.

          Prison food tho, you’re on the mark based on what I’ve heard from my buddy and my brother from the time they spent back there.

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          20 days ago

          As @protist@retrofed.com just mentioned, it varies greatly.

          The lunch at my kids school today is:

          • Crispy chicken sandwich
          • Tater tots or French fries
          • Assorted chilled fruits (from local farms, usually blueberries, strawberries, cranberries, peaches, and apples)
          • Choice of veggies: pickles, cole slaw, or cucumber salad
          • Milk (1%, fat free, fat free chocolate, soy, almond)

          Each of those gets a swap option (not as much variety here given what it is) for allergies and preferences (such as vegan options).

          It would be really hard to try and make me consider that worse than what I just looked at.

    • ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip
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      19 days ago

      The company that ran my alma mater’s cafeteria also served kitchens. The food plan my college had selected was the one below what they serve in prison…

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      20 days ago

      I will guarantee that you would not volunteer to go to jail and be sentenced to hard labor for your view on this. Lotta keyboard warriors that will defend a lot of people doing things to feed their family and escape poverty unless they are the US military specifically.

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          20 days ago

          lol demonizing Russian conscripts that they had to start putting trigger guards on so they couldn’t kickstart their rifle through their skull. Good example. The poor are the pawns of the oligarchs and the despots. You and I are lucky enough to fuck around and have this chat.

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              19 days ago

              Haha k. Have fun continuing to not have serious enough problems to have to think about joining the military and being a coward who does nothing risky for your beliefs.

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                19 days ago

                The fucking nerve of you calling people who wouldn’t sign up to murder children on the other side of the planet for a paycheck cowards is fucking disgusting.

                You should really be ashamed of yourself and your country.

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                  18 days ago

                  Do something that puts you in jail or poverty for your beliefs. You won’t, because you are also all talk.

      • dreamy (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zonedeleted by creator
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        No, I fucking would. I have a spine that prevents me from voluntarily going to mass murder innocent Arabs.

        Lotta keyboard warriors that will defend a lot of people doing things to feed their family and escape poverty unless they are the US military specifically.

        Yes, how dare I condemn people taking money from the imperial core to murder Afgani, Iraqi, and now Iranian kids. THESE AMERICAN SOLDIERS ARE JUST TRYING TO FEED THEIR FAMILYY

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          You can say whatever, I know you wouldn’t because there are plenty of opportunities for you every day to go to jail for even this exact belief. You are a coward who would rather do nothing than be someone to try to effect change from inside. We have all seen what happens when good people leave; nothing. Nothing happens. Because as long as they can hold your family’s health and welfare over you, someone will do it because we just make more poor people by doing things like increased requirements for Medicare.

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              Cool, you can also go head and do something to stand up for your ideals that results in jail time. If what you are actually going to do is bitch behind a keyboard and pay your taxes, you are doing the same thing most people in the military do. At any given time 99% of the military is also bitching and doing nothing.

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                  Oh I’m not in anymore, fuck Trump and injuries got me retired. Yeah, this country does suck. I’m going to put the blame on the people that control both the military and the size of the population in poverty though.

          • dreamy (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zonedeleted by creator
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            20 days ago

            “Guys, you should join the U.S. military and kill Arab children because otherwise HOW WILL ANYTHING CHANGE!!! Anybody who doesn’t like to kill brown kids is a TOTAL COWARD. You should join the U.S. military so you can take all those facists by surprise and enact change from the INSIDE.”

            Continue reading my mind dipshit. You’re doing a hilarious job 🤣

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              You don’t have to join the military and most people shouldn’t. You’re a coward because you talk big shit like, “I would go to jail for my ideas for sure. Everyone else is a POS”. Do it then. There are, as I said, plenty of actions that you can take to stand up for your ideals that send you to jail.

              • dreamy (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zonedeleted by creator
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                This is not even an action you fucking jackass, it’s literally an inaction. Either I get drafted and kill Arab civillians for the fuck of it, or I don’t do anything and go to jail for approximately the same amount of time. You would of course choose the murder arabs one because you fucking love it. Most of you americans are murderous sociopaths.

                This much American military apologia is really worrying. Are you perhaps one of those inhuman monsters who went on a murder tour for college?

                • gagcar@lemmus.org
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                  Nah, I just acknowledge that if you make people poor enough, they will survive. I’m not saying you have to join the military. There are tons of other actions you can take to show your disdain for certain ideologies that would put you in jail. But you won’t do it, because you are all fucking talk and have the worldview of a teenager.

      • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml
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        19 days ago

        Most of the USian military is from well-off backgrounds and none are forced to join.

        Also, do you support the countries that these people invade to lethally incapacitate these supposedly-desperate soldiers?

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          18 days ago

          Go ahead and show anything that says people who join the US military are well off. I believe the US is and has been involved in conflicts they should not have been since WWII where casualties should be expected but were unnecessary to even be there in the first place. I understand why what the US calls terrorist organizations exist and why US actions are a self-fulfilling cycle of creating more destruction and more adversaries. I support other nations in their right to defend themselves from said unnecessary action and blame the people that actually send people off to die for nothing.

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            Go ahead and show anything that says people who join the US military are well off.

            Can’t do that right this moment, but what income quantiles do you think are the most represented in the USian genocide machine?