cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/9710405
a couple snippets from the interview. the first snippet is about Tom Morelloa doing some concert to promote voting in the midterms. the second snippet is him saying that he didn’t vote for Kamala because of her complicity in Gaza genocide, he doesn’t use the word genocide.
bold is interviewer, non-bold in tom
Is there an argument that people’s focus on Ed Sheeran is indeed a distraction from what they should be focusing on?
Yeah, 100 percent. It’s all right to shame him in this moment because he deserves the shame, but not the focus. The focus is your and my tax dollars are going to commit horrific war crimes in the Middle East, and that, I believe, should be the focus and what we should be doing our best to stop in its tracks.
It’s a clickbait, it’s salacious, it’s, “Oh my gosh, poor Ed Sheeran.” First of all, has Ed Sheeran never seen a Macklemore performance before in the last three years? He certainly should’ve known what he was getting into.
The one thing that’s sort of adjacent is, this is a time where speech is being vilified and is a crime, where the truth is a crime, where skin color is a crime, where immigrant status is a crime, where gender is a crime, where sexual orientation is a crime. And it’s my belief that the true crime is the rise of authoritarianism, and the true crime is the erosion of freedoms, and the true crime is an impending environmental disaster. And so my hope at each one of my shows, I deputize the audience as anti-fascist crime fighters, and that’s really the way that I think you have to look at the world right now. Like, what are the real crimes that are happening, and what is it that you and I can do to stop it?
Now that I’ve gotten you fired up — your Power to the People Festival. What is its most essential purpose?
It is not PR or hyperbole to say it is a festival of peace, love, justice, and music. In a time where war is celebrated, this is a festival of peace. In a time where hatred and division are rife, this is a festival of love. In a time where injustice is the norm, this is a festival celebrating fighting for justice. In a time where there’s a lot of shitty music, there’s gonna be a lot of great music on this stage, so we’re going for four for four.
How much were the midterms on your mind when you scheduled this?
As my dear departed mom, Mary Morello, who passed away at 102 years old, was a very political person, said, “You’ve got to fight the fascists every which way you can.” One of those ways is at the ballot box. It’s not the only way, and you should not just think that because you’ve done that. Voting is a piece on the chessboard, and that you try to create an environment where in between the voting you can fight for a more just, a more peaceful, a more equal world.
And so, is the festival three weeks before the midterms? Yeah. Does the money from the festival go to voting rights organizations? Yeah, it does, but the festival is about something much bigger than that. It’s about what kind of world do you really wanna live in, and should we fight for that world, or should we settle for the one that’s being spoon-fed for us by the oligarchs?
Returning as promised to the electoralism issue — there are some on the left who tend to argue it doesn’t matter, don’t bother voting, both sides are the same. So what would you say to someone on the left who says, “Listen, man, I listen to Rage Against the Machine, and I know everyone’s the same. It’s about tearing down the power structure. Doesn’t matter who you vote for. I’m not voting”?
On the one hand, I think that rebellion is self-care, in a way, but I answered that already. Mary Morello was 100 percent right. You have to stop the fascists every which way you can. First of all, a lot of people who I greatly respect and admire the sacrifice they’ve made to try to get people with my color skin to be able to vote in this country, and have died, been lynched for it, they’ve been shot in the back for it, and it’s very disrespectful to their memory to do that.
But that in and of itself is not going to change the levers of power in a significant way. It’s not. It’s not. You should do it. But it would be like, okay, great, you vote, and on the next day you start working. You start working harder for the world you really want without compromise and without apology. And not just putting in the hands of whatever corporate Democrat you choke down your vote for in that particular election, that it’s your job to make the world the way that you think it could be to help those that are the most in need and to hold those accountable who are most guilty.
Do you feel that people on the left should have voted for Kamala Harris?
I’m crystal clear that people’s conscience cannot allow them to do something that they fundamentally believe is wrong. I was the scheduling secretary for United States Senator Alan Cranston. I saw how the corporate Democrat sausage is made. It is worse than you think. And there is a reason, there is a righteous fury at the corporate controlled, money controlled electoral system we have that is absolutely legitimate, and people cannot choke down — I understand it — voting for a candidate that’s responsible for what happened in Gaza, and they just can’t do it, and I’m not gonna blame them for that.
But I think that putting it on them is the most cowardly thing. Put it on the fucking Democratic Party. First of all, I don’t believe it’s their responsibility and they’re never gonna necessarily never do the right thing, but I think it’s all of our responsibility to co-create the world that we want and not point fingers at people that were just like, “Well, you know, my conscience didn’t allow me to do that, so it’s your fault.” I will not co-sign that.
Did you vote for Kamala?
I certainly did not.
You did not?
Did not. I couldn’t do it.
I didn’t realize that.
V for Vendetta — that one inch of who you are belongs to you, and they can’t have it. Now, I live in a state where it may not have moved the meter, but I just couldn’t do it. Couldn’t do it.
When’s the last time that you didn’t vote for the Democratic candidate?
Can’t remember the last time I did.
Wow, okay. I thought you were softening a little bit.
Can’t remember the last time I did.
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Purity test is what got Trump elected twice. These fuckers never learn.
If BlueMaga liberals think being opposed to genocide is “purify testing”, then what exactly is your opposition to Trump?
He looks weird and he’s rude
Calling them weird was working until a consultant told them to stop doing it.
A consultant that either came from Queer Harmers catastrophic labour campaign or Clinton lol
True, liberals only value is decorum
Won’t somebody please think of THE CIVILITY???
I find it funny how every single comment of your has an equal amount of “upvotes”.
Almost like you use bots cause you can’t handle people disproving everything you say.
Are you ready to die of the plague, my putin bot?
Bullshit. As an admin, I can see the votes.
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Really don’t think Head Troll is to be trusted
Ask any admin from any given instance, and they’ll tell you the same thing. Notice how a midwest.social admin has removed the bullshit comment, because it was bullshit.
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Remove mine too, it will look powerful in front of your buddies
You understand that I have no ability to moderate midwest.social whatsoever, right? Do you think the midwest.social admins and I are in a secret cabal, when they’re liberals and I’m a communist?
It’s pretty clear who’s the uncivil jackass in this exchange.
Dumbass
The plague, famous for being able to infect bots. You fucking moron
Purity testing is a good thing, it keeps shit out of our milk and corrupt assholes out of elected positions. You’re just upset that your dogshit candidates can’t pass.
Sure did work electing Trump twice huh? No corruption there AT ALL
Sounds like it should have been an easy win for the Dems, and yet
It would have been a she had already been president. Biden should have stepped down 2 years in, and let her lead. Just think of it a young energetic incredibly smart woman running this country instead of the bumbling idiot we have now. All because people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a black woman. If you don’t think racism and misogyny has anything to do that you sure the fuck don’t know anything about this country. Go to the Midwest and ask them if they would ever vote for a black woman regardless of party.
All because people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a black woman.
Liberals will do anything to avoid admitting that genocide is bad
She NEVER NEVER NEVER FUCKING SAID SHE WAS FOR GENOCIDE. You obviously never listed to a word she said. She said often that the was should not be happening.
And Trump said he would end all the wars, what is your point?
Delusional
She said she wouldn’t do anything different from the man who was breaking the law to sell weapons for genocide.
Which is why you’re still campaigning for her.
…a young energetic incredibly smart woman running this country…
Who are you talking about? I never saw that candidate
All because people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a black woman.
Obama is one of the most popular presidents we’ve ever had (I have no idea why, but I have to concede that its true). And Hillary won the popular vote.
Harris didn’t lose because she was a black woman, she lost because she was a terrible politician, who ran a terrible campaign on terrible policies, while riding the coattails of a terrible president.
Bullshit, for about 99 percent of the Midwest would not vote for a black woman she absolutely was not a terrible candidate. You people just refused to listen to her millions of people absolutely loved her. You have no idea the depth of racism and misogyny in this country. A half black man won because he was half white and had charisma oozing out of his pores and after the disaster that Bush was he was a logical choice.
Delusional
…she absolutely was not a terrible candidate.
She wouldn’t say “bombing kids is bad”, or “genocide is bad”, or “our economy is terrible, we should do something to fix it”. All of those would have been easy. She ran on unpopular platforms, and refused to distance herself from a terrible president, whose aproval rating was terrible. She was the most popular before she started going on interviews. She spent her entire campaign shooting herself in the foot.
You people just refused to listen to her…
I listened very closely to her. I heard her say that she wanted to keep America “the most lethal fighting force in the world”. I heard her say that she would “follow the law” instead of supporting LGBTQ people. I heard her say “I’m speaking” when people asked her to stop supporting genocide.
…millions of people absolutely loved her.
Millions of people absolutely loved Trump. Do you think that makes him a good candidate?
You have no idea the depth of racism and misogyny in this country.
Yes I do. I’ve lived in this country my whole life. I’ve lived in the midwest, and I have family in the south.
A half black man won because he was half white and had charisma oozing out of his pores and after the disaster that Bush was he was a logical choice.
And she had the easiest election I’ve ever seen handed to her on a silver platter. But she chose to give it up in order to keep supporting genocide, instead of keeping Trump out of office.
Delusional
Go to the Midwest and ask them if they would ever vote for a black woman regardless of party.
For the sake of argument, let’s assume that’s true, in which case the Democratic party would have known from polling that running Harris was a losing strategy. So then why did they run her? Why did they cancel the primary and undemocratically force her down our throats?
SHE WAS ON THE FUCKING PRIMARY BALLOT! Her name was right there! If you voted for Biden in the primary it was a vote for her if he couldn’t run. I voted for her. Honestly the Democratic party is going to lose no matter what. Republicans only have to appeal to their base, Democrats have to have the perfect candidate that appeases the leftists, liberals, Democrats, independents AND the undecided so unless they find the perfect candidate that fulfills evey single thing that all of those groups want, you are not going to get a democratic president. Honestly Dems really need to just switch to the Democratic socialist to see real action. But no they are fixing mamby pamby assholes who will write a struggle worded letter. Meanwhile the fascists are talking over and ignoring all the laws and rules
Democrats have to have the perfect candidate…
Lets take a look at the Democrats:
- Keeping the US the deadliest military force in the world
- Supporting genocide
- Continuing to let Americans die of easily treatable diseases
- Continuing to keep Healthcare as the leading cause of bankruptcy
- Taking money from the workers, and giving it to the rich
- Supporting rapists, kidnappers, murderers and theives
- Supporting Trump
- Supporting ICE
- Torture
- Mass deportations
I think your understanding of the word “perfect” might be a little off. We aren’t waiting for the “perfect” candidate. We’re waiting for someone that isn’t a monster. Something that the Democrats refuse to supply.
But no they are fixing mamby pamby assholes who will write a struggle worded letter.
Yes. Because they would rather let Trump and the Republicans win, than fix any of the aforementioned things.
Meanwhile the fascists are talking over and ignoring all the laws and rules
The Democrats are supporting the fascists, and they also ignore the laws and rules when it suits them.
The Democrats running shitty candidates on shitty policies, while openly betraying their voters is what got Trump elected twice.
The test: “is genocide bad?”
All the liberals failed that one.
Tom Morello is correct.
Geez. Another thread awash with election trolls.
Do we think these are actual people doing the trolling?
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a subhuman machine” and other insane conspiracies for the right wing mind
They all originate from .ml
So what do you think?
Everyone reading this: “obviously he’s talking about those other guys”
No, I’m talking about you. You’re an election troll.
If I agreed with you, then I’d certainly be a person.
Correct. Bot farms universally support conservative positions, so it’s unlikely our objectives or opinions would ever align.
Admittedly, I don’t think the threadiverse has enough users to be a target for misinformation from bots. Last cycle we just saw users that had picked up the talking points from bots on other platforms.
The dems are conservative.
And she’s a repeat of junk we already used. There’s plenty of other people and last names that have yet to be president.
I have my opinions on it but this close the midterms is not the time to be playing the blame game.
I feel like this is similar to the mistake we made in 2024. Voters are not going to hold their noses; it’s more important to be vocal about how exactly democrats can win. Call your candidate and inform them!
Fair but tbh, I don’t think any of the old guard that didn’t get primaried are actually listening. Half that party spits on their voters.
Why? Do you think everybody else has to play nice and pretend the candidate is good if you do?
Because now is the wrong time to build up a sense of apathy. There isn’t anyone else to currently vote for right now, as much as I hate to say it. Go in my history and search up Kamala, believe me, I am not a fan of the current “left” party.
Now is always the right time. The democrats themselves hold no such qualms as you do, when it comes to crushing anyone deemed remotely too leftist
I get you but that’s the equivalent of complaining about the faulty smoke detector that didn’t go off instead of putting out the fire. They deserve to hang but we don’t deserve another 2 years of Maga bullshit.
The smoke detector? More like the person holding the matches and a can of gasoline.
Stop doing this bullshit of down playing the democrats, they’re not some uwu smol bean in relation to republicans, they’re practically the same. They’re godawful. They do the same shit
Bro, the choice is the fire or the pan, and you are explicitly told that if you don’t choose, you get the fire.
They are similar and the same on way too many things things (Gaza, oligarchy, etc) but you are acting like a child. And I say this through gritted teeth, just like I voted through gritted teeth because I’m not a fucking moron.
Keep living in a fairytale. You have no cards to play except the ones you are dealt. Deal with it or pull a Luigi, but you aren’t helping anyone with the constant extremes and basically pessimistic no way out attitude while sitting at home ego jerking. Instead of trying to pull this country into an even deeper hole, pull out a dictionary and look up what pragmatism means. It blows that the only valid choice is godawful, legit story of my life. Cry harder about it and watch how much worse things can get if that buffoon keeps his circus going.
This close to the election, people like you are Trumps biggest friend. Look at you mascotting for that fucking disgusting piece of filth. Well done, you won your medal.
If you aren’t telling people to go vote, then stfu and don’t comment until it’s over. jfc
Sister, the choice is fire or fire. You keep making the democrats out to be better than they are.
The only one who ought to shut up is you when you say silly shit like thisYou have no cards to play except the ones you are dealt.
In relation to voting for democrats. There is so much more one can do. And not voting for genociders is a pretty good start. Actually making demands of Democrats is the very very least one can do, and one does not make demands when they vote blue no matter who.
…pull out a dictionary and look up what pragmatism means.
Weird. I don’t see it mention anything about bombing kids, supporting rapists, defending genoicdists, torturing innocent people, or mass deportations.
But the fact that you find those “pragmatic” is more telling than a dictionary will ever be.
Actually, there is. Which is why the Democrats spend more time fighting them, then they spend on fighting the Republicans.
Welp. What an asshole.
Cry about it
And this is why Dems will lose everything in the US.
Dem voters will drop Dem candidates at the drop of a hat.
Meanwhile, purity tests on the Republican side? No. As an example, even the most puritanical Christians saw the Trump tapes and scandals, and went right out and voted for him, even in the primaries.
Meanwhile, purity tests on the Republican side? No. As an example, even the most puritanical Christians saw the Trump tapes and scandals, and went right out and voted for him, even in the primaries.
They just don’t give a shit about those things and never have. Their “puritanism” is really just about maintaining heirarchies, Trump is at the top of the heirachy so he’s allowed to break the rules, the rules are really just there for women and gays anyway, for rich white men they’re more of a suggestion.
The type of purity tests the right actually has are things like “get your damn hands off my guns” and “abortion is murder.” There are absolutely plenty of Republicans who wouldn’t vote for the party if they didn’t adopt a hard line on those issues. The reason they do vote for them is because, when the Republican base sets a red line, the Republican party takes it seriously and responds to it. Whereas when the left sets a red line the Democratic party laughs at us and expects us to fall in line.
Donald Trump literally threatened to run as a third party candidate if he didn’t get the nomination. Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders bent the knee and actively campaigned for Clinton. Go back further, and the last major third party candidate split the Republican vote and led to a Democrat winning. Which is why the GOP takes it seriously when their base sets red lines.
Trump waffled on abortion, in multiple instances, with little reaction. Some figures like Mike Pence tried to oppose him, and they have precisely nothing to show for it.
He’s been more consistent with gun control. But Trump waffled a little in that area, too, with virtually no drop in polling: https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/31/2nd-amendment-advocates-issue-dire-warning-over-trumps-pretti-gun-remarks-00758740
It’s just about hierarchy. If you watch Republican political language, they talk about loyalty, belief, “I stand with Trump.” Things like that. Showing loyalty is more important than the actual issues.
It’s a mirror of evangelical Christianity, in a way.
But with Dems, there is zero loyalty. That’s what I meant by “drop candidates at the drop of a hat.” Dem voters don’t care about showing loyalty; the issue takes priority.
Trump
Hey, how about you read what the other writes?
Trump is at the top of the heirachy so he’s allowed to break the rules
I think you’re misunderstanding. Their point is that the right is loyal to Trump solely because he’s at the top of the hierarchy, and what I’m saying is that it’s not just that, but that on the issues that they really care about, he respects their red lines.
If Trump actually ran on being pro-choice or explicitly in favor of gun control, and still somehow got the Republican nomination, you would likely see a significant number of Republicans voting Libertarian, or there would be some other third-party challenger. The Democrats would likely win that election, and afterwards the Republican party would learn their lesson and treat those stances as electoral suicide, because the right would have disciplined them.
Being at the top of the hierarchy gives a lot of leeway in what you do in your personal life, in terms of scandals and the like, but if you actively start dismantling the hierarchy or turning against the right’s core values, you’ll be replaced. The reason Trump is at the top of the hierarchy is not because of birth (he used to be a democrat) or wealth (Bill Gates is wealthy and they hate him) but because he says what they want to hear and they see him as an effective vehicle to advance their ideological agendas.
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“Waffled on” but didn’t actually oppose. The Democrats haven’t just “waffled on” Israel, they have fully supported them, materially, including Biden bypassing congress to send them more weapons. They’ve even changed the legal definitions to recognize antizionism as inherently antisemitic, to try to brand us all as racists. They’ve even made it illegal for us to boycott Israeli goods.
Trump may have “waffled on” certain issues, but at the end of the day he still supported them. Anecdotally, my fervently anti-choice mother was skeptical of Trump, but will point out that he appointed justices that overturned Roe v. Wade, so she doesn’t care. Because that’s her red line, and the party knows better than to try to cross it, and she knows that the party won’t cross it, so she can tolerate some rhetorical waffling, because she knows she can trust them to follow through on the issue once in office. They’ve been respecting her red line on the issue for generations at this point, it’d take more than a bit of rhetorical “waffling” to make her doubt their commitment.
By contrast, the Democratic party never respects the left’s red lines. In fact, even when they say they do, they don’t follow through. Nowadays, they’ve stopped even pretending that they will.
You treat “loyalty” and “the issues” separately, but loyalty is earned by following through on the issues. The Democrats haven’t followed through on the issues the left cares about, so there’s no loyalty. The Republicans have followed through on the issue the right cares about, so they is loyalty. Simple as.
And this is why Dems will lose everything in the US.
Yes. And they fucking deserve to.
Dem voters will drop Dem candidates at the drop of a hat.
When you describe genocide like this you make it obvious you don’t consider non whites human
“Don’t commit genocide and I’ll vote for you, even though you run on deporting more people than Trump, you passed out so many fracking contracts the emissions from them alone ensures 2.5c warming, you keep expanding the police state despite running on not doing that, you broke your promises about minimum wage and student loans, you did fuck all to protect Roe v Wade, you expanded the border wall, and all the other stuff” = PURITY TEST
Full throated support for genocide = “drop of a hat”.
They pretend like there wasn’t a whole campaign and months of trying to get her to do better.
No shit? The lady who said there must be a peace-fire… [cheers] … for at least six weeks (or some similar bullshit). And didn’t let any Palestinians speak at her big party. And told other activists to go to another rally for whatever they were saying. She lost? I wonder why.
It’s not difficult to meet your voters where they are if you actually listen to them.
I bet the people of Palestine are really glad Kamala wasn’t elected.
Easy for you to make that bet when you’re never going to bother you listen to anything they say to see if you’re right
Its the easiest bet in history.
You can’t convince me that Palestinians would prefer trump because it’s an absurdity.
“Palestinians will say what I want them to say!”
Nah that’s only on .ml mate.
“I know you are, but what am I!”
Such witty banter were having.
If Trump and Kamala are the same for palestinians, then they wouldn’t care if you voted for Kamala just to… you know… stave off the authoritarian apocalypse Trump is delivering.
The point in not voting for Kamala is to put pressure on the democrats to stave off the authoritarian apocalypse they are delivering. It’s not just stay at home and do nothing, but make your voice heard. Make sure people know what your demands are, organize with others. The dems are holding Trump as a gun to your heads saying “vote for me or else you’ll get Trump” while bombing and killing in your name. And with your vote secured they keep sliding right, trying to appeal to people like the conservatives that aren’t voting for them. So counterbalance that. Become part of the class of people they have to appeal to, make them earn their vote. You only get one, don’t give it up for free.
You realise you’re doing exactly what conservatives want you to do?
They know it’s not possible to win your vote, so instead just convince you not to vote, and / or criticise your own side.
…it’s not possible to win your vote…
Lets take a look at the requirements to get votes:
- Be against genocide
- Be against the bombing of children
- Make healthcare on par with the rest of the first-world
- Stop supporting Trump
- Stop supporting rapists
- Stop supporting masked thugs, from kidnapping, raping, torturing, stealing, and murdering
- Stop taking money from the workers, and giving it to the rich
None of that seems impossible at all. It actually seems pretty easy to me. But the Democrats would rather help put Trump in power.
I don’t think I can help you. Be well.
People bankrolling genocide aren’t on my side.
Indeed. slow clap
The Democrats aren’t “our side”.
That seems obvious.
Great pressure there.
How’s that going for you?
Everyone’s talking about why kamala lost and this keeps coming up, so not that bad actually
Why would it be any different for them? Israel was getting their bombs delivered either way
Because she could have been better, but we’ll never know. Personally, I don’t have faith in capitalists or neoliberals. I voted for her because it was the right thing to do, but I never thought she’d be a good president.
Do you believe trump and Kamala’s approach to such things would be equal?
Do you think bombs work differently if its a democrat that drops them?
If the amount of them differ: absolutely
And the majority of deaths occurred under Biden, so seemingly the democrats are worse - if we go by your idea of a genocide being able to be “worse”.
The thing is, trump was WORSE for Gaza though but y’all didn’t care about that
Worse how? Be specific
More funding and more bombs.
That specific enough?
Trump does not care about the lives of some “brown people”.
You don’t care about the lives of “some brown people” or anyone else but yourself, as long as blue team is the one dropping the bombs you’re fine with it
“more” funding and “more” bombs as if the democrats weren’t giving them everything they were asking for and then some. The majority of palestinian deaths occurred under Biden. The only difference is he was less crude about it and you didnt have to pretend to care
Biden literally userped the power of Congress to give them even more bombs.
But he wasn’t wearing a weird spraytan when he did it.
I don’t know gaza is a fucking parking lot and it’s all due to Trump
How is it “all thanks to Trump” when it happened under Biden? Oh right, you were a genocide denier when it was your team doing it
You could have stopped at “I don’t know” and you would have sounded like a lot less of a moron
“…all due to Trump”
It’s not like Biden had anything to do with… oh, wait what?
Well, it’s not like Harris supported Biden’s pro-genocide posit… oh, what?
Well, at least the Democratic party gave the voters and actual choice as to… oh, what now?
The majority of deaths happened under Biden, you only think Trump was worse for Gaza because liberals were in doing everything they could to deny and downplay the genocide when they were doing it.
I’ve been voting for 18 years, since I could vote, been into politics for longer. All I can say is bring up the definition of insanity is what it’s like. You think you’re voting for change.
Yeah I voted for Obama, great he did everything I voted for not to be done. Bombed the shit out of a bunch of countries. Passed a half-ass insurance market that was a only a bit better then getting spit roasted, really just caved in to the insurance companies instead of a UHC/NHS. Didn’t legalize cannabis and not even change the scheduling for it. After eight years, it didn’t seem like much happened. Obama is a very charismatic politician and I voted for him, honestly looking back I kinda think McCain would have been more reasonable since I met him in person and well protested his speech, I’m surprise the security didn’t haul me away. And I write this because Obama did signed off on one of the most atrocious things, and expansion of the Patriot Act. If you thing this whole icy thing is new, no it started with Bush Jr and expanded by Obama.
Biden is the reason why you can’t discharge student loans through bankruptcy. So SLABs became a thing, people investing on your school debt.
Kamala was a perfect example of the shit show the political system is. Last minute changes. A figure that has negative Charisma points. I mean people bring up the whole laughing thing. I get it. We’re all fucked because from covid and you having the time of your life and haha I’m going to be the first female President, didn’t exactly set a good image. Realistically the DNC should have just asked AOC to run and I hope she does in the future. At least it wouldn’t look like a Manchurian candidate.
I didn’t vote for Rump but it didn’t feel like I voted for anything and wasted a day.
I knew this was coming, I’d really hoped he just kept his mouth shut. But no. Has to be a stupid white man.
How was that stupid? I feel like voting against the genocidists is a pretty smart move, actually.
Because he’s actively telling people not to vote for Kamala or whichever democrat comes next if they don’t fit the leftist ideas. And not voting, or voting independent— is voting for Trump.
Because he’s actively telling people not to vote for Kamala or whichever democrat comes next if they don’t fit the leftist ideas.
Good. It’s about time we tried even basic leftist policies in the US.
And not voting, or voting independent— is voting for Trump.
No its not. Its always so telling to me that Libs have to openly lie to make their points sound reasonable.
It’s adorable that you seem to think you know me. Like it or not, the presidential race in the US is a two party race. Should it be more? Absofuckinglutely. But it’s not. And you know for a fact it’s a waste of a vote to do anything other than Democrat or republican.
If you want to talk about voting in local races, by all means, that’s where change starts.
But your little angry rant doesn’t make something a fucking reality broski.
Like it or not, the presidential race in the US is a two party race.
Factually untrue.
And you know for a fact it’s a waste of a vote to do anything other than Democrat or republican.
Also factually untrue
But your little angry rant doesn’t make something a fucking reality broski.
This is actually correct! The fact that it’s true is what makes it a fucking reality.
This guy^
Does inference mean anything to you? Obviously you can vote for whomever you want. Realistically you only have two options that matter.
Ah, yes, how dare I point out that blatently untrue statements are untrue.
Realistically you only have two options that matter.
Yes. You can vote to continue the war-machine (Democrat/Republican), or you can vote against it (3rd party). I find that to be an easy choice.
Honey… show me in the last ten decades when a non-popular party won the presidential election. Better yet, show me the last time someone ran as an independent and got more than 10% of the nations popular vote.
Just because it’s the reality doesn’t mean I like it. I’d love to fucking change it. But outside of an actual violent revolution this is what we have to work with.
You can bitch at me all you want but THOSE are the facts.
You sir, are stating your opinion. There’s a difference.
Honey… show me in the last ten decades when a non-popular party won the presidential election.
You mean like the Democrats, and the Republicans, both of whom are unpopular?
Better yet, show me the last time someone ran as an independent and got more than 10% of the nations popular vote.
It’s been a while, because the Democrats keep fighting against them more than they fight against the Republicans. I never said it wasn’t an uphill battle.
Just because it’s the reality doesn’t mean I like it.
Same. Which is why I don’t understand why you are defending it.
I’d love to fucking change it. But outside of an actual violent revolution this is what we have to work with.
Then get to work on changing it. We have multiple options. You literally just listed one of them.
You can bitch at me all you want but THOSE are the facts.
I’m not bitching at you. I’m pointing out that they are not the facts, and you were lying.
You sir, are stating your opinion. There’s a difference.
Yes, I’m clear about what is my opinion, and what is a fact. You are the one stating lies as factual.
He’s right, cry about it halfwit
Yea, funny how the people actually affected vote Democrat, because they’re objectively better. But you gotta get your virtue-signal points as a white, rich man for vague misinfo. “Responsible for what happened in Gaza” LAMO 50% chance the guy can’t point to Gaza on a map.
so his choice was literally trump then, just say it out loud and stop mincing words.
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at least them openly being lib nazi cunts on this thread lets us see and track them
ITT: A lot of propaganda for all sides, everything pro-USA, obviously.
What exactly is the point of this comment?
Then I guess Tom Morello can’t see the forest for the trees.
Getting mad and not doing anything doesn’t make you virtuous. Just makes you a goddamn idiot. Sitting it out or voting for someone who literally cannot win puts you in that category.
if your argument leads you to believe tom morello is ‘getting mad and not doing anything’ then maybe you’re missing the forest.
Getting mad and not doing anything
Aka the democrat supporter strategy for the last decade
Because a man who fucks children and ran a sex trafficking ring really, really cares about women and children dying in Palestine, Iran, American detention camps, Africa…and wherever else we’re killing people. I’m sure I’m forgetting something
Sounds like it should have been extremely easy to beat the guy in an election, and yet
It’s almost as if bourgeois democracy were a scam that the working class keeps falling for.
Whataboutism
In a 2-party system, that is literally the point.
It’s also an electrical college system and he lives in California. But you conveniently forget that part when it’s time to screech “But whatabout Drumpf!”
electrical college
Autocorrect strikes again
there are more than two parties
