I thought they were making complete bank by getting rid of their exclusives and going the open platform route (which everyone complained about)?
They did so well that Xbox became an irrelevant choice between PC and Playstation.
Plus they were doing delayed PC releases, so I don’t really see how that would affect PS sales since the port would come out much later.
It’s Sony. The various divisions never know what each other is doing and the moment a new executive comes in, they charge everything to make it seem like they’re important.
I can almost guarantee you that dude has a board or shareholders or whatever, breathing down his neck, and his yearly bonus is depending on the number of units sold. So he will canibalize the whole system with a complete disregard for the long term effects, so long as the magic number goes up in the short term and he can cash in his bonus.
Exactly why Valve doesnt want any shareholders
This is exactly the reason the saying “they don’t make them like they used to” is a thing for everything.
You just described all business in the modern day.
Oh well, still not buying a PS.
Sony: but line go up
(line turns out to be steam deck sales numbers)
Sony: not like that
They will come crawling back after the current moron in charge gets fired. Until then, its like 4 games.
Lol they will not. The next Xbox is literally going to be a PC with a full Windows OS. Sony is not going to become Xbox and give people no reason to stay in their ecosystem.
They also sold 98 million ps5s. All the delulus in this thread acting like their money matters when it doesn’t. Most of the Sony games sold poorly on steam. PC gamers aren’t worth the effort.
People will 100% buy the ps6. I’m not missing out on more horizon, gow, or tlou. You say it’s 4 games, meanwhile I looked at the top 30 best selling PS5 games and half of them were published by Sony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_5_video_games
Hardcore PC players on Reddit/Lemmy just keep proving they’re still detached from normie reality.
As of the end of the second quarter of last year, the PS5 was apparently just behind the PS4 in terms of lifetime sales, 84.2 million to the PS4’s 86 million at that same point in the PS4’s sales.
However, going into and during the November/December holiday season, sales dropped off compared to last year - selling 1.5 million units less during the last fiscal quarter compared to 2024.
So overall, the PS5 seems to be in a pretty healthy spot, having sold more units so far than the PS3 did in its “lifetime”, but it has not done as well as Sony wants it to. It hasn’t sold as well as the PS4, and definitely hasn’t outsold it. And if the downward year over year sales trend continues, Sony will find themselves in hot water. With the economic downturn, sales of everything will continue to suffer, and I think something that will hurt the PS5 (and PS6) that a lot of console players don’t think about is that PC gamers tend to also own at least 1 console. Many PC gamers owned a PS4 and a PS3 as well. But, with money becoming an issue, they’re not going to drop their PC for a console. They’ll drop the console for the PC they already own and accept that they’ll miss out on the exclusives. And Sony already had issues with people not replacing their PS4s with a PS5. For years people simply weren’t doing it. So far there are only about 8 PS5 exclusive games that aren’t also out on PS4 or were timed exclusives that are on PC as well. And we’re 5 years into the PS5’s lifetime, which is usually a decade at most for console generations. That’s not a lot of incentive to entice people to give up their money for a PS5 for. Why buy a PS5 for 8 games when I have the entirety of my Steam library going back to 2007? Plus, PC has its own exclusives. Practically an entire industry of them. The sheer volume of indie games exclusive to the PC means that you could play a new game everyday for the rest of your life and never spend a single cent on any AAA studio.
One thing that you’re missing is why Sony games sold “poorly” on the PC, and that comes down to the port quality, the delay between console and PC release, and the price. Many Sony releases had/still have performance issues. And there was the PlayStation account drama, which probably hurt sales. Add to that that it’s at least an additional year before a Sony game comes out on Steam, and then they charge full console price. Is it any surprise why they “sell poorly”? PC gamers have already had to wait a year or more for the game, they might as well wait for a sale for it to be at a reasonable price. But look at a game like Helldivers 2. The PC makes up a major portion of the player base. There’s a reason that Sony said “single player” games, not all games. Games sell on the PC. PC gamers just aren’t willing to accept the quality for the price that Sony was offering for their tentpole games. If we base the size of the market on the total number of games downloaded last year, the PC makes up almost half of the PC/console market: 857 million downloads vs 626 million on Sony consoles, and 546 million on Xbox, for a combined roughly 2 billion total games downloaded in 2025. The PC market is no drop in the bucket by console terms. We won’t talk about the 52 billion mobile games downloaded last year.
Sony will try again if the PC market doesn’t go in on buying a PS5/PS6 like Sony hopes, which I don’t think they will. I don’t think it will be anytime soon, but the line needs to go up. Forever. They’ll cut costs where they can and increase prices as much as their customers will let them, but eventually they’ll turn to other options, and the PC market is a low-hanging fruit tempting easy short-term gains for little effort.
They’re not worth the effort. And better yet they just collect 8$ indie games they never play.
Fired? You mean given progressively larger bonuses until he’s poached by a completely different moronic public company just to repeat the same cycle until he dies happy, healthy, and wealthy beyond measure?
Exactly! They’ll cut jobs and trim the fat until they run out of half-assed, short-term methods of increasing quarterly profits year over year. Then they’ll remember PC gamers are almost exclusively adults and some of those adults have deep pockets and no interest in the closed ecosystems that consoles provide.
Just watch.
Well he’s wrong because all console games eventually come to PC one way or another. He’s just ensuring they won’t be coming first under their control.
My thoughts exactly
“Everyone keep buying our console even though we keep raising the price. No? Fine, we’ll keep all the games just for our platform, surely that will get you to buy a PS5.”
Let’s raise the price of the console by hundreds of dollars just to sweeten the deal!
Indies and AA games on PC ftw.
PC prices are also going up by hundreds of dollars. Look at what RAM and storage are doing.
How else would they? Honest question: what do any of the video game consoles have to offer except exclusivity?
Once upon a time, video game consoles offered the convenience of plug-and-play gaming, and living room comfort.
Not everyone wanted to build a PC and play with keyboard and mouse, and even still playing those PC games can be a hassle to set up on a TV if you’re common-denominator-levels of tech unsavvy. (Read: not the average Lemmy user)
Valve has brought that forward some with Steam Deck and eventually steam machine but by and large most PC gamers are Windows users.
That said, console platforms have gotten so increasingly hostile towards customers between pricing, licensing, download times and walled-garden tactics that they’ve painted themselves out of an increasing chunk of the games market.
People would rather set up a computer and a controller than buy a console, and it’s the corpo’s own fault.
You guys said the same thing about the switch 2 and it sold extremely well.
The world doesn’t revolve around PC gamers.
Casuals are absolutely not building PCs
They’re not building PCs but they are buying/using laptops, and, to a lesser extent, prebuilts. I’ve also built a few gaming PCs on request from otherwise “casual” consumers though that’s a smaller portion of the market.
It’s been a slow but steady transition. PC used to not even be worth big publishers’ time to make a half-assed port, and now over 20 years later, in most cases, it’s 50%+ of their customers and revenue.
The Switch still offers the plug-and-play experience the other consoles lost.
The other points still apply, but the Nintendo crowd doesn’t seem to mind being fucked sideways.
People generally buy consoles because they are very simple, plug-n-play devices. Historically, they’ve also been able to produce cutting edge graphics for cheaper than a gaming PC, and although that price gap has narrowed over time I do still think it’s true by a bit. (People like to point out that this is not true when taking into account the average price of games on console vs PC, which is completely valid, but I’m talking about the hardware alone here)
From a customer perspective, like 80% of the population is functionally tech-illiterate. They want to play games with the confidence that things will “just work”. They buy the console, it has everything they need for a set price, they hook it to the TV, they choose a game, everything just works, and if it doesn’t they know it’s defective and they can just return it.
From a developer perspective, the hardware is fixed, so you don’t need to consider every possible configuration of hardware, (CPU, GPU, displays, disk speed, controller, etc) windowing, OS versions, driver versions, etc. Every single one of these factors adds another dimension to testing requirements and debugging. You also get lower-level access to hardware, which allows for more granular optimizations. As a result, the console designers can put mid-range hw in it and expect devs to squeeze out performance compareable to high end PCs.
As a customer, I prefer PC, but as a dev, PC is kind of awful to deal with. So much time spent hunting down weird little corner cases that only occur in very certain circumstances.
Then I’m happy to have a Playstation 5 that I don’t use as much as my Steam Deck, but it would take a lot of great single player games to make me buy a Playstation 6 alongside my future Steam Machine.
Well fuck you too buddy.
They must not like money.
It makes me wonder what the PC profits were for the God of war games, last of us, etc., whatever else made it over. They really blew it with the forced accounts thing, but God of War was great. I always hoped they would port the demon souls remake but I guess that’ll never happen.
Oh no, all 3 games.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
still waiting for bloodbourne on steam…
Rpcs3 is always there to be added as a non Steam game
Bloodborne is famously a PS4 exclusive. You would want ShadPS4 for this, not RPCS3.
Oh no, look at me. It was 3am when I commented. Thanks mate.
I haven’t tried that, how jank is it for BB? Like does it give proper 60FPS?
As someone pointed out, ShadPS4 is the emulator. It apparently works well now. Depends on your PC but I think 60fps high resolutions is achievable.
It’s very much a CPU-bound program requiring single-core performance; I get about 50 fps at any resolution including 4K with a Ryzen 9 5900 XT and an RX 6700 XT. Ryzens are multi-thread beasts but their single-core isn’t the best, it’s not the ideal CPU for ShadPS4. You can turn up the amount of “GPU memory” in your emulated PS4, and need about 10GB for 4K.
Of course, Bloodborne originally ran at 30 fps, so that’s more than enough frames and it looks amazing; didn’t have any problems playing it all the way through. I will obviously not be upgrading my PC any further with prices the way they are, too.
hmm yeah I’m all the way team red as well, emulators are cool and all, but for non-retro games they never seem to scratch that itch, for me at least.
Heh. My backlog spans 19 years. I won’t miss much. Only a couple of their first party titles got my attention at all.
Emulation’s gonna bring them here anyway XD
My wife and I 100% Super Mario Wonder high off our asses on edibles. All on a PC emulator. I’m old and patient as hell. Emulation is our friend!
I hooked up my wife on Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. We do not own any Nintendo consoles and not planning to.
What all 4 emulated ps4 games? PS6 won’t be emulated for like 10 years
Not going to buy a PlayStation.
I imagine in a few years they’ll come crawling back, and learn nothing from the whole experience.
Maybe they should make their console more affordable then
Tbh, it’s not even about affordability, I just don’t want to have to own four different devices in order to play fucking games.
How many CD players did you need to play regular CDs from all the studios? One.
Same with DVD. And Blu-Ray.
Consoles got a pass back in the day because they legitimately used different formats and architectures, but now they’re basically all just single use PCs that don’t even have a physical media drive, they can all piss off. If a game isn’t available on PC, I’ll wait until I have a PC powerful enough to emulate it, then I’ll pirate it and they can shit up a rope.
Nonsense. Consoles were deliberately designed to be mutually incompatible. All the tantrum throwing in this thread is just people crying about Sony going back to the status quo of the 90s and 2000s. It isn’t that big of a deal.
CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW didnt all play in all players.
BETAMAX vs VHS
HDDVD vs BLU-RAY
Mini-disc vs DCC
DVD vs DIVX
it happens all the time. proprietary is shit
Those are media formats (the first ones having different purposes anyway).
None of them had any significant exclusive content, because it’d have been an extremely dumb decision and no one would have bought it.
You’re comparing apples to oranges.
