Really all of those benefits depend on the location, market, and if it’s in an HOA.
I’m just gonna say that where I live, it’s a criminal offense to pour oil down the drain.
You’re not just affecting your landlord. You’re affecting your entire neighbourhood.
Depends if it’s an OSSF system or municipal wastewater.
If it’s septic, it just fucks the landlord.
Add enough lye and it’s non longer oil. Pouring soap down the drain isn’t illegal, is it?
Got 'em.
I didn’t say pouring soap down is illegal, did I?
Don’t forget “flushable” wipes
Everything is flushable as long as it’s small enough to fit in the hole
Very very bad for the water cleaning system (depurator?)
I got an email like two weeks ago that there had been an increase on car break-ins recently
Then when it came time to re-sign they decided to increase rent
Nothing from stopping everyone from coming together to leave the property in mass if they increase rent.
I just moved. it was hella expensive.
security deposit + first + last month: ~5k
movers: ~850 (and don’t tell me movers are optional - my wife is disabled and I have a lot of chronic pain).
uhaul rental + moving supplies: ~300
so total that’s over 6 thousand dollars. that’s the same amount as if they increased the old rent by 500$ and we lived there another year.
That’s a lot. I just break down my stuff and pack in my truck. Last time I moved in the states it was a security deposit and first months rent so like $1800 (or $500 more than I was going to pay anyways in rent) and I guess gas. If needed I would buy and sell a trailer for like $400 so it would work out to $0 after being sold. My furniture is all very light and breaks down or otherwise can be easily moved by my little metal dolly and held with my straps.
you have no idea what depreciation is I guess. and idk where you’re finding an apartment for 900$ a month that doesn’t want first + last + security deposit.
is it possible that our situations are different? that not everyone has the same needs, is in the same location, or has your braindead math? or perhaps things have changed since you last moved?
(in case it’s not obvious, that last paragraph is dripping with sarcasm. youre an idiot spreading misinformation at best. kindly go fuck yourself and enjoy the rest of your day)
except having to find a new place to move all your stuff to.
I’m definitely biased, I keep only about what I can move in my truck. Also around here it’s almost trivial to furnish a two bedroom place with used and free stuff for like $300 to $500.
Moving is incredibly expensive and unrealistic for most people in the US unfortunately.
It costs a lot more to move into a cheaper place than it does to absorb the increase.
I guess because of the choices I’ve made that’s not really been the case personally. Usually I get my deposits back in full or nearly in full. I’ve never hired movers or rented a truck so far. I guess if I needed I would get a trailer and sell it when I’m done with it. As for labor, there’s always cheap labor around. Two dudes who want $50 each is probably enough if I couldn’t physically move my stuff but irl I would probably have my family help.
You sound very young and without much baggage to move around. You are not the average American family then.
I’ve known families who’ve been more mobile than myself, but you’re right, definitely not average. I used to have a lot more stuff but it gets heavy on the mind.
Stop treating your home like an investment. Can only end badly
How so?
What @gaiussabinus said.
But the math of it is two-fold. Firstly - unless you’re deeply in the know - you’re always going to do better putting money into an ETF than real estate. Especially true since COVID, when the market’s been doing 20-30% annually. Secondly - the real financial benefit of home ownership is the locked-in mortgage rate, with some knock-on benefits when you make capital improvements that pay off against utilities or transportation costs long term.
The cost of flipping a home is enormous - easily 3-6% of the house’s sell-value - so the people who benefit the most from turnover tend to be the real estate agents not the homeowners. And the risk that you’ve bought into a flat or deflating mortgage market far outweighs the anticipated returns from short term housing flips (unless, again, you’re already a real estate agent who can eat the administrative cost of title transfers).
As a general rule, you want to buy a house with a mortgage note you can afford, keep it in good repair to minimize utilities, and then simply enjoy the fact that you don’t have a landlord threatening to raise your rents every year. Minimizing future outlays, not speculating on the future value, makes owning a home an attractive financial decision.
Loses value, maintenance, tax burden, regulatory over sight. It is a liability and always pencil it in as a liability. Only the land holds value. If you don’t live in it, its not worth it.
inflating prices for one
I mean, if I put hundreds of thousands into my home over the course of 20+ years I expect the value of my home to be more than what I bought it for.
The problem is when people just buy homes, barely upgrade any of it, and expect to double what they paid for it.
The homestead we have now u bought for $225,000 about 5 years ago. We just built a new deck extension on it. I should expect to get more than what I paid for since we have put money into this home. It’s not worth what it was 5 years ago as it’s since been updated both inside and out over those five years.
bought mine for $150k around the same time period, and added a carport to it the second year that increased the value to $189k. each year since it has increased a bit to be today worth $220k which is in line with values of other properties in this area. not a huge amount, true, but i am not here for the roi. this is my home that i will be dying in one day
Yup. Someone could offer us $1 million for our property and we’d turn it down.
We’re never leaving where we are. 14 acres on a rural dirt road and essentially one neighbour
My landlord must be in shambles
If only this were true we probably wouldn’t have a housing supply crisis.
I mean, individually it’s just a poor investment choice. But individuals trying to live in their investment properties isn’t really the problem.
The modern housing supply crisis is definitely egged on by a handful of mega-funds that can snap up houses en mass at prices which are already inflated. I’m living next to an aspiring AirBnB landlord’s newest acquisition as I speak. Very unlikely she’s coming out ahead after a year of renting relative to just holding NVIDIA or Tesla. She’s definitely not getting any extra houses under her belt at this rate.
But I might suggest that the “supply crisis” is much more an “unemployment crisis”, as the gross supply of housing isn’t in shortage. It’s the location of the housing, relative to the centers of new commerce.
Case in point, Elon Musk is dumping billions of dollars into Bastrop, to rapidly develop an area that’s been overgrazed farmland for centuries. Then, when neighborhoods in Cincinnati and Detroit and even San Antonio have a relative glut of saleable real estate. The… ethnic composition of Bastrop has provided a level of appeal. But so has the pliability of the local government, which has historically been run by libertarian dipshits who spend all their time complaining about the neighboring Austin, TX college kids and granola crunching hippies while insisting deregulation and tax cuts are the only viable pathways to growth.
Now Musk has delivered on the growth, but he’s cut out all the locals from its benefit. He’s standing up his own little Network State of employee-exclusive bars, storefronts, and housing stocks, while driving long-time residents out with the sudden flood of noise and traffic.
Big investors and employers are engaged in all sorts of regulatory arbitrage and capital flight, often for very shortsighted ego-stroking gains, in order to secure an ideological end goal rather than a profitable business model. The end result is massive shiny new suburban development sometimes directly neighboring areas blighted by economic neglect. People complaining about skyrocketing housing costs who live spitting distance from some of the cheapest real estate available, entirely because of modern day redlining and private segregation.
Your primary residence is a poor investment for several reasons, but the biggest concern is that the investment is not properly diversified.
All that money behind a single home, in a single location, subject to the local regulations, neighbors, climate conditions etc. carries significant idiosyncratic risk that is not compensated for by a corresponding risk premium. You are not paid for taking on avoidable and unnecessary risks, like betting on just one home, when institutional investors can own thousands and diversify away those investment-specific risks. You accept a much higher variance in outcomes for no additional expected value on your investment returns.
That’s on top of the reality that it costs money to own a home, there is significant upkeep and maintenance which can occur unexpectedly, and most home purchases require a mortgage which charges you interest which is typically paid in preference to putting money towards the principal. Landlords can get lower rates for upkeep than an individual can because of their significant bargaining power, such as through negotiation of support contracts.
By all means, buy a home, but don’t buy it because it’s a good investment. Disclaimer: I am a tool, and this is not financial advice.
I will never rent and buy instead just on principle. I don’t want the entirety of the fucking housing market do be owned by a single fuckface that has no idea what paying ridiculous rent prices while working minimum wage feels like, all to be renovicted one day because they have to increase your price SOMEHOW otherwise oh golly their investment returns.
A house should never have been a fucking investment instrument. EVER.
Buying is still miles better than being constantly abused by a landlord.
it has become common practice among people with septic tanks, be them owners or renters, to pour enough grease down their drains to cause a buffer layer to form between their effluent waters and their poop pilings. most septic servicers have even recommended it. so the right-hand picture isnt as bad as it seems. unless youre on city sewer ;)
Why do I want a buffet layer between my poop and my doo doo water?
It is probably all you can eat.
to keep it from clogging the leach field and causing your crap to back up into your home
How would pouring it down the sink help anything? It’s going to immediately hit cold water and congeal in the trap under the sink.
if you use a dishwasher, youre possibly releasing oils and greases into the pipes there enough for the crust to build up in the tank enough between pump-outs. pouring it down your sink drain is overkill in more ways than one
If your septic is working well and you aren’t killing the bacteria in it with excessive soap, you don’t need pump-outs at all, but that still doesn’t explain how pouring grease down the sink could ever help. It won’t even if what you mention about the septic layers is true.
If you pour grease down the sink it’s just going to congeal in your trap under the sink and eventually cause you nothing but grief.
Jokes aside. What do you do with the oil?
Store it in the balls.
Then where do you store pee ?
Your mom
Apply directly to the forehead.
Pour it in my compost with all my non-meat food leftovers.
Dump it in a 5l canister that I call my ‘waste oil’ canister. When its full, I take it to the recycling plant whenever I’m going there anyway.
Also use paper towels to wipe grease an oil.
For anything water-based, using a cellulose rag is almost always better (as in cheaper and better for the environment). For grease and oil, it is worth it to mop it up with paper and throw it in the trash.
You should collect it and dispose it at the waste management facility of your city
Put in a plastic bottle and throw that away when it’s full. Alternatively there is a powder you can buy to harden the fat so you can chuck it in the trash.
Throw it in the trash.
People talk about recycling and that makes a difference for restaurants, but at home quantities? Just put it in the trash.
Put it on a bottle, and when the bottle is full take it to the used oil recycling bin in my neighborhood.
And if you don’t have used oil recycling, the next best thing is just throwing it in the trash
The benefit of renting is that when shit breaks, maintenance fixes it so that you don’t have to muddle your way through trying to replace the oven or some shit. Also you don’t have to do yard work. A good landlord is one who understand that his job is to provide housing and maintain the property, and not sit on his ass collecting passive income/hoarding wealth.
You can also up stakes and leave if something goes horribly wrong, and not repeatedly rebuild your house because of natural disasters or be stuck living next to the worst neighbor in history because you still owe $200k on the dirt you’re anchored to.
There is no such thing as a good landlord. There is no benefit of renting in capitalism. It is strictly exploitative. Go away with your bourgeois drivel
I lile pur landlord.
He lets me into his pool, I offer my IT skills for their upkeep.
He keeps the rent relatively low.
Everyone is more or less happy.So: You are wrong.
You could have the same relationship with that person, with a similar mortgage payment, while building equity.
I could.
If I had said equity.
But life is unfair and I don’t have it. And until then, I can do my share of repayment he offers me by free entry to the pool.You can also not own and then not have to maintain a house, if life is good without equity.
This is unfortunately only true when a landlord fixes things beyond the absolute bare minimum (massive globs of caulk on caulk everywhere is my experience).
A good landlord is one who understand that his job is to provide housing and maintain the property, and not sit on his ass collecting passive income/hoarding wealth.
I will go ahead and plug Georgism here.
Hmmm. So renters are stupid and lazy.
More benefits of renting
These are all benefits of owning though. Youre gonna pay for damages when renting.
Pissing in the sink! Classic move
It’s better to piss in the sink than to sink in the piss
The oil doesn’t necessarily just make a problem for your landlord. Fat/oil can clog sewers way down the line, causing problems for entire neighborhoods over time and requiring costly maintenance, which increases the costs of sewer service for everyone
that’s what my tax dollars pay for, damnit!
I can’t speak for every municipality, but where I live sewer service is definitely a portion of our water bill and is (at least mostly) not tax-funded
So it will affect multiple landlords? 😈
/s
And even if it creates a problem for your landlord only, it is you, who is going to pay for it, anyway. They will not just eat the loss - why would they? - they will increase the rent even more, than they would otherwise, to cover the costs.
The whole idea of willingly causing damage somewhere and somehow not being held accountable for it because it’s not your property is wild.
If you have your landlord send a plumber to declog a drain clogged by a bunch of grease or wet wipes or some other garbage that shouldn’t go down the drain there’s no way you won’t get the bill for that where I live.
There’s renters protection but not against your own acts of misuse.
“I’m not paying for that. I didn’t put any wipes or grease down the drain. The last tenant must have done that. If you thing you can prove it was me, you can take me to court.”
They can’t charge you money unless you agree to it. Drains are always the responsibility of the owner. Ask the city of you don’t believe me.
Taking people to court over a plumbing bill is not a thing here. And even if you make a point of not paying it they’ll just take it out of your deposit and then it’s you that’ll have to fight them over those 200 bucks or so. Who has time for that crap.
Also the practicality of it. Blaming previous tennants might fly if you’ve just started living there, but there’s no way that is a reasonable defense after two years.
It also means that if the home is ever put back onto the market and purchased by a family instead of a landlord, that person will end up dealing with the issue years down the line. It’s just overall kind of an edgy, poorly thought out idea.
it is you, who is going to pay for it, anyway.
Common misconception. If they could raise prices more over time, they already would. Costs are irrelevant.
There’s no plausible deniability with oil down the drain. The landlord would just bill you for the damage.
If the furnace goes out its the landlord who pays - Renting
If the furnace goes out you are out $1000s - Home Owner
Only one I can think of is the cost of fixing shit.
What an awful take. Capitalism has really done a number on folks.
If the landlord doesn’t cheap out at all and “fix it” with some ransom guy he knows
Landlords are kidnapping handymen now. This is where we’re at.
Windows, radiators and water heater are 30+ years old and heat has to be on full blast 24/7 to keep the place above 20C in the winter, and multiple window AC units are required to keep the place below 30C in the summer. Landlord pays nothing to update, and renter keeps paying huge energy bills, and being uncomfortable the whole time. - renting
Homeowner spends a few grand to buy efficient furnace, central AC, and windows and saves money on energy bills every month and upgelrades pay for themselves while staying nice and comfy. - home owner
Amen. I’m the renter in the shitbox that’s always too fucking hot or too fucking cold.
Counterpoint: the landlord is paying with your rent money. You’re still out just as much, just spread out monthly with a profit margin on top.
Unless you have enough cash to buy a house, the bank is making a profit margin on the mortgage.
And landlords are making a profit margin on a mortgage as well, unless they own it, then they make an even bigger margin
It would be cool if you could run a coop where you all paid in the amortized cost of repairs on a schedule and if an incident happened before expected you withdraw the cash and keep paying in after.
But this would get abused on both ends by fraudulent claims and petty managers. You’d have to be very selective.
that’s how it works if you own a flat, things like heating or repairs of shared parts are paid from common fund
There are co-ops that own housing
Yeah and they range from “basically a condo” to “we weren’t able to make it as a commune so we’ve relaxed the shared investment, but are still dedicated to cooperative living”
If the latter sounds appealing to anyone they can look into left wing housing.
Thats basically a condo.
Good luck dealing with your condo association. You think an HOA is bad 🤣
You’re still out just as much
And then some. The landlord’s profit.
If we’re talking a major cost, the landlord will probably amortize it over a long period, so if you’re only renting a short period you won’t pay for it all.
Plus, that is assuming your landlord follows through in a timely manner. Plenty of examples of landlords being assholes and procrastinating or outright refusing to repair essential things. Even if you (are able to) take them to court, that takes additional time.
Plenty of examples of landlords being assholes and procrastinating or outright refusing to repair essential things
happened to me a couple years ago. The solution was a friendly-worded letter, notifying them that we will not pay any rent until the thing is fixed, and informing them about related court decisions. (this was in germany, your laws may differ)
Or that they even reasonably fix it.
A homeowner can choose to get whatever works best for them. If they have their own preferences, or even want to spend a bit extra to get a “buy it for life” product, they can do whatever they want.
A landlord will do whatever is considered “good enough” for the lowest cost. The landlord will always opt for the cheapest solution for any given problem because they’re not the one that needs to live with it.
