• ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    Ron Funches’ routine was great. “You don’t believe any conspiracy theories? Like, you just believe the government is batting 1.000 in terms of telling the truth?”

  • potoooooooo 🥔@lemmy.world
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    • Boarding Schools.
    • Eugenics, including forced sterilization.
    • Nuclear weapons.
    • Internment of Japanese.
    • Hiring of Nazis after WWII, after inspiring them before WWII.
    • Doomsider@lemmy.world
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      The US helped to found and popularize the Nazi party. Ford and other industrialist literally bank rolled the Nazi empire. Ford built factories in Germany and let them keep the profits. Nazism was very popular in the US because its policies were based off US policies.

      Hitler was inspired by the way the US genocided the Native Americans. This is where the Holocaust came from. When Hitler initially decided to expel the Jews wealthy industrialists lobbied the US government not to take them in. They helped stroke anti-Jewish sentiment in Europe and ensured that no other country would take them in.

      This lead to the final solution. IBM and other US companies gave material support to the Nazi. Those numbers tattooed on Jewish prisoners were from a census system IBM developed. Later, they used their computing power to figure out how many jews to ship from the ghettos to the death camps without backing anything up. Basically they handled the logistics of the Holocaust.

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      Hiring of Nazis after WWII, after inspiring them before WWII.

      Don’t leave out Unit 731, where they did shit that would make the Nazi’s look like Jr high science experiments by comparison…who were given the exact same deals as Paperclipped Nazis

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        Indeed, all for medical science and biological warfare. The good old USA gave small pox blankets to the Native Americans, then there’s Operation Sea Spray, and now 45,000 croak directly from a piss poor healthcare system and 200,000 die from contributing factors. WTF kind of social experiment is that?

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      Don’t forget that the US government gave Joseph Mengele a new identity. the Angel of Death… got a kiss on the lips, lots of money, and a good luck from America.

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      Reconstruction failure, Jim Crow institutionalized which was the ultimate inspiration for the Nazis to model their claimed superior race society after.

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    • That never happened

    • There’s no proof that happened

    • It’s more complicated than you’re describing

    • Those were just some bad actors

    • Okay, but that was under the Other Party. My Party would never do that

    • (Repeat 1. Thru 4.)

    • Okay but we’re reforming now. You should give us some credit!

    • It’s all in the past! Why do you keep bringing up Old Shit?!

    • Whataboutism

  • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    I read about MK Ultra, and that is some weird, fucked up shit. Also, most of the records were destroyed, so who knows what else they got up to? Fucking monsters.

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    9 days ago

    Just because absurd but promising ideas were tried when they maybe shouldn’t have does not mean the government is stalkingyou.

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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      No, we know the US government is stalking us more from the Snowden leaks than what’s listed here.

      But also, “absurd but promising ideas” is whitewashing this stuff to a truly ridiculous degree. This stuff wasn’t like, “We think psychic powers might exist so we’ll test if people can tell what card I’m holding.” We’re talking about intentionally infecting black men with syphilis to use as guinea pigs. Was that “an absurd but promising idea?”

      How about Donald Ewen Cameron, who was paid by the CIA to pose as a legitimate doctor and abduct Canadian citizens who came in with everyday symptoms like headaches, and he’d put them in months-long comas and electrocute them and inject LSD and do God knows what else to them because he burned his research notes?

      That’s only the tip of the iceberg. You might as well say that Josef Mengele just let his curiosity get a little bit out of hand.

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        Mk ultra sounds pretty smart. And it is. If stimulants could reduce your risk of death would you not use them?

        Some medical experiments of the past don’t hold up to modern scrutiny and also were abhorrent at the time.

        But the government is not stalking you personally. There is no van of cops following you at all times.

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          Mk ultra sounds pretty smart. And it is. If stimulants could reduce your risk of death would you not use them?

          I have no idea how these sentences are connected.

          There is no van of cops following you at all times.

          No one said there was?

  • Doomsider@lemmy.world
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    Funny how all the major parks in US cities and highways just happen to always destroy a minority neighborhood.

  • Miles O'Brien@startrek.website
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    Mkultra is STILL treated like some nut job conspiracy theory.

    I bring it up as example of how the government will do whatever to whoever and lie for decades, fuck the consequences.

    People look at me like I’m crazy, and plenty have even straight up told me mk ulta isn’t real, is just a conspiracy, just an excuse for hippies who did too many drugs, any number of “that didn’t happen” excuses. Including “if it actually happened, we would know”. To which I responded “THEY FUCKING ADMITTED IT” and that was the end of the conversation because I cursed and therefore lost an “argument” I didn’t know I was in…

    Ohio is crazy…

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      So like, I’ve got one of those burned out hippies in my town. Who got burned out by mk ultra. And knows it. He’s a hoot and a half if you can keep him laughing. Shows up to all the concerts in town.

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        I was happy to read that he felt like he failed in his work with the CIA.

        It doesn’t excuse anything but I do take great joy in him knowing that he was a failure at his lifes work in the end. For someone like him I bet that really messed with his head.

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      it never happened because it never happened to them. so clearly it never happened.

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      There’s nothing wrong with Ohio…except the snow and the rain.

      I really like Drew Carey, and Id love to see the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

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          Seriously. Am here. Counting down until I can gtfo. Fuck this place. If I’m going to live in a right wing redneck goat rodeo, it had better have nice weather or a beach. No, lake Erie doesn’t count.

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          I think you’re the only one.

          But it’s still a band and theyve done a few albums lately and had some bangers. Getting old sucks, but they’re still fun.

          Also that cover album a couple years ago set me off on a whole pop-goes-punk phase, and I contend it’s still the best version of Flowers.

  • Agent641@lemmy.world
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    Don’t forget the Phoenix project. 85k Vietnamese civilians assassinated or tortured to death by the CIA.

  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    9 days ago

    So… a funny thing actually just happened…

    https://www.fox5dc.com/news/tulsi-gabbards-office-denies-florida-lawmakers-claim-cia-raid-seizing-jfk-mkultra-docs

    CIA whistleblower testifies in Congress that the CIA basically raided the DNI (Tulsi Gabbard)'s office, to retrieve various files relating to JFK and MKUltra, that Trump had actually ordered be unsealed.

    Anna Paulina Luna corroborates this.

    Fox News (nation wide) runs a segment on this with Jesse Waters.

    Then, a bunch of people change their tune.

    Paulina Luna claims her comments were misconstrued.

    Gabbard denies that this happened.

    Jesse Waters removes this, his own segment, from his own social media.

    Gabbard’s PR person says basically ‘no, a raid did not happen on that day, but about a year earlier, the CIA did confiscate some documents from the DNI, and they still have them.’

    … at least that is my current attempt to comprehend this.

    So uh… the DNI is supposed to be in charge of the CIA.

    But, if you know anything about the CIA… they do whatever the fuck they want, to whoever they want.

    There is only a single example of someone ostensibly in charge of the CIA that actually attempted to reign in the CIA and hold it accountable, make it stop doing things it wanted to do.

    His brain got painted all over Dealey Plaza, in 1963.

    • redsand@infosec.pub
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      Turner lied and parts of the program kept going. I’m wonder what’s going on with that one UFO guy who was trying to get a SCIF to talk to lawmakers. Subject gets dropped like a rock any time someone picks it up.

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    9 days ago

    Huh? What does foreign countries’ fucked up shit have to do with the government?